>> timothy mcveigh: maybe one of the benefits of me talking to you today is that you'll see that maybeey: for example, what's not true? >> mcveigh: well, am i-- am i pure evil? am i the face of terror, sitting here in front of you, or am i able to talk to you man-to-man? >> bradley: most people in this country think you are the face of evil, don't they? >> mcveigh: they do. but sitting down here now-- and let me make clear i'm not sitting here trying to influence you, and i'm not putting on a game face. i'm not conning anybody. i'm just being me. >> pelley: timothy mcveigh was executed at terre haute on june 14, 2001. i'm scott pelley. we'll be back next week with another edition of "60 minutes." ways to lose stubborn belly fat. the roasted core wrap. 3, 2, 1... not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that's cool! coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells with little or no downtime. and no surgery. results and patient experience may vary. some rare side effects include temporary numbness, discomfort and swelling. ask your doctor if coolsculpting is right for

an example, timothy mcveigh was traced to the hotel where he filled out papers and gave his real nameanything can happen in these cases and you try to stay with the basics. the other aspect that is interesting is we spoke earlier in the week about the interstate 35 core door and the first few bombings were close off of that interstate. maybe this person felt comfortable using the interstate, getting off where he did in those neighborhoods but it looks very promising and the pace of this yesterday would certainly get investigators focused on what they want to do and what their game plan is as well. >> 6 bombs total found, 5 of them exploded. you said it was important that the one bomb did not explode and that could lead to a lot of information possibly leading to the suspect, what specifically? >> when you find a bond that hasn't been exploded you can control detonate it. it is possible prior to that or after they did that, you can find components with fingerprints on them. when you control detonate something you preserve a lot of things that make it work so the bomber usually expects

. >> i would argue that if you go back in time and you look at timothy mcveigh, i don't think there was anyone trying to humanize him. we can cherry pick. my argument is that we should try to understand the context and if there are other people, beside me and you, mark, who are going to humanize one side or the other, that's wrong, that's not fair, that shouldn't be. we don't have an argument except you and i disagree about the scope of the data. >> fascinating conversation, thank you so much. i appreciate it. thanks for watching i'll see you back here tomorrow night. . . . but i'm not standing still... and with godaddy, i've made my ideas real. ♪ ♪ i made my own way, now it's time to make yours. ♪ ♪ everything is working, working, just like it should ♪ >>> president trump now has his third national security adviser in fewer than 500 days. the latest shakeup brings in john bolton at a critical time. >>> if melania trump is watching, what would you want her to know? >> exclusive cnn interview with former playboy model karen mcdougal. she said her affair with the president lasted a year

it reminds me a lot of the timothy mcveigh in oklahoma city.think we are going to know pretty soon chief manley whose office is right behind us, he made it clear in the press conference just before 6:00 a.m. eastern time, as soon as they know something they will come out. i will tell you what, you have your theories, there have been some crazy theories floating around. a lot of people online talking about how there were many parallels to the netflix series on ted kaczynski the unabomber and they felt, you know, they should just go through the netflix records and figure out who watched the whole series because there were so many parallels between what happened out in the woods and what happened here in austin. >> who know what is motivates a veaz person to kill innocent people. to watch him technologically speaking evolve from someone who is merely placing a package bomb in front of a random stranger's house. we think it was a random stranger and escalating that to the trip wire and then trying to ship these packages by fedex, thank god he did t

actually remembering what someone looked like as they made purchases that helped them track down timothy mcveigh and his -- >> the other interesting thing here is this individual is watching all these pressers, press conferences, watching the news and changing his method of operation. >> i want to go to brian todd. brian todd, tell us what you're hearing as we await this press conference. >> right, we're hearing the latest on the casualties is three people injured, all of them students here at great mills high school in great mills, maryland, about an hour and 45 minutes south of washington, d.c. according to st. mary's county sheriff, tim cameron, the shooter entered the school early this morning, confronted another student, a female, shot her, shot another student, and then a school resource officer and engaged the shooter and ended the threat. the threat was contained very quickly, we're told, by the sheriff, we are expecting a briefing later on to find out more information about the nature of the shooting, the weapon used, and any possible relationship between the shooter and the victims. th

timothy mcveigh didn't fire a shot. he wentot down and bought fertilizer and diesel fuel and mixed it together and had an ignition system such as we have on the gas grill and blew up the federal building in oklahoma. he never fired a shot. you can't blame the mechanism. that is what the clintons created wasy a time in the fait. you see my point? keep the second amendment. >> host: joanna, independent line, good morning. >> caller: yes, hey, good morning. i would like to say laws do not start people from breaking the law, right? second, why are we cherry picking with guns when i would sit there for the young people in the teens, 11 teens are killed every day, 11 teens by texting and driving.we we are losing 5000 teens a year to texting and phones. for these schools and college kids i would love them to have signs and slogans up for getting rid of the phones is texting because they kill more of our children than guns do. >> host: so because we are debating the gun debate then in specifically keeping people what would you

if you remember timothy mcveigh killed 168 people in only about 20% of that bomb actually detonated and point that out is that we're having a big conversation in our society right now about what tools people use to commit mass murder and how in our culture, we can try and deter that and identify people who may do so. you know, where you live in a world where teenagers build their own drones they can build these types of bombs. this bomb could be sophisticated and use something like a photo cell or a mercury switch really sophisticated things or it could be just the way wires are placed within the box. it could be that simple, and so it's not hard to do this. the information is readily available, the cookbook isn't getting taken off amazon any time soon so the first amendment protects the information we just have to look at the types of people who might use this information to hurt people so it is a risk we have and i think we need to reassess some of the information that is out there on bomb making and how people can access it. charles: now from what i've heard, and there's limited info

to throw them off his or her trail but when it comes to capturing this person and finding him, timothy mcveightured through the purchase of ammonium nitrate. only one out of every four or five barrels of that bomb went off. they could actually located specific type of ammonium nitrate back to the dealer in that area. so a lot of components and parts of these bombs will survive the blast, that is when you really get into the science finding out what the chemicals, the precursors for the explosion is, where it can be purchased, how it can be purchased and who has the ability to do that that of the that is a big part of it. unfortunately when we talk about sophistication, there is electronic componenttry and actual homemade explosive. if that is sophisticated that means they're doing chemistry in their house or backyard, a lot of people can do it and a, not a the love people at that type of tools and ability. neil: so confusing. johnny joey jones. thanks for your insight. >> absolutely. take care, neil. neil: i had a pleasure of reading tom sew well-'s greatest book. bobby kennedy's campaign laun

assault weapons was during the clinton administration and that created a monster by the name of timothy mcveighhe did not fire a shot. he went down and bought fertilizer and nitrate, diesel fuel, he mixed it together. buildingp the federal in oklahoma. he never fired a shot. you cannot blame the mechanism. that is what the clintons created. do you see my point? keep the second amendment. host: florida, independent line, joanna. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. first, i would like to say lives do not stop people from dust -- laws do not stop people from breaking laws. why are we cherry picking guns? teens are killed every day by texting and driving. yeare losing 5000 teens a to texting and phones. collegee school and kids, i would love them to have signs and slogans up for getting rid of the phones and texting because they kill more of our children then guns do. host: because we are debating , you talked about texting and every thing else and that is fine. specifically, though, what is the message to washington when it comes specifically to guns? guest: i believe trains, planes, gun

i will tell you, timothy mcveigh killed 170 people and only 20% of that bomb blew up.ls. but this tool here, this is protected by the first amendment. not the second amendment. the cookbook is readily available online. this information isn't held secret. the types of materials you need to make these bombs is literally available at walmart. we should be having a serious conversation about our culture and detecting these things and surveying these things and stopping it before it happens regardless of the tool. steve: thank you for joining us today from atlanta with your point of view. >> absolutely. take care, guys. ainsley: brian, what's coming up? brian: all eyes are on the pennsylvania election. todd piro having breakfast with people he barely knows. it's time for the 'sleep number spring clearance event' on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. does your bed do that? it's the last chance for clearance savings up to $600 on our most popular beds. ends soon. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. ♪ >> well, it's

assault weapons was during the clinton administration and that created a monster by the name of timothy mcveighhe did not fire a shot. he went down and bought fertilizer and nitrate, diesel fuel, he mixed it together. buildingp the federal in oklahoma. he never fired a shot. you cannot blame the mechanism. that is what the clintons created. do you see my point? keep the second amendment. host: florida, independent line, joanna. good morning. go ahead. caller: good morning. first, i would like to say lives do not stop people from dust -- laws do not stop people from breaking laws. why are we cherry picking guns? teens are killed every day by texting and driving. yeare losing 5000 teens a to texting and phones. collegee school and kids, i would love them to have signs and slogans up for getting rid of the phones and texting because they kill more of our children then guns do. host: because we are debating , you talked about texting and every thing else and that is fine. specifically, though, what is the message to washington when it comes specifically to guns? guest: i believe trains, planes, gun