, was masterminded by timothy mcveigh and substantially carried out by timothy mcveigh with a ols. >> if there were other people involved with the bombing, who were they? some believe there may have been a connection between mcveigh and elohim city, a so-called christian identity community in northeastern oklahoma, about 170 miles from oklahoma city near the arkansas border. >> christian identity is essentially a religion that says white anglo-saxon americans are the true children of israel and jews are subhuman and essentially black people are not even human at all. >> during the early 1990s, a number of far right extremists had reportedly spent time in elohim city. >> this was an interesting time. you had a number of anti-government groups that were taking shape, arming themselves, building compounds throughout the country, establishing their own laws. really setting themselves apart from mainstream cities and locations on purpose and believing, then, that not only people of other faiths or ethnicities or nationalities were the enemy, but that the united states government was

one of them named timothy mcveigh. bomb the government building in oklahoma city. >> he had selected steve schneider, his number one lieutenant and wayne martin, their harvard-educated attorney to come out and talk to our representative. the tension was extremely high. you could quite literally feel the crosshairs on you from the branch davidian compound as i'm sure steve schneider and wayne martin could feel from our tactical teams that had everybody covered. >> the meeting is positive. the fbi negotiators arranged to meet again in two days and deliver written assurances requested by koresh, but schneider abruptly cancels the second meeting. >> he indicated that david didn't think it was necessary, so i said, wait a minute, you don't want to come out or david doesn't want you to come out? he says, well, david doesn't think it's necessary. >> for agent sage, a heated phone conversation that follows provokes a crucial realization about koresh. >> at one point he is talking about my salvation and i said, david, i am abso

you and i would never think that way. >> ted kaczynski, like timothy mcveigh, was a game changer withespect to terrorism. if we go to a federal office building or we get our mail, these are places where we expect safety. and, indeed, the postal service changed their methods for accepting and transporting packages and mail due to ted kaczynski. >> chief among the changes in postal security is the requirement that packages weighing more than 13 ounces be mailed in person at a post office, rather than being placed in a mailbox. but beyond the security measures, the biggest impact of kaczynski's campaign of terror has been on the victims. in the years since the bombings, at least four have died of natural causes. but others still bear the scars both physical and emotional. >> you will never be the same. you accept it. you will never have closure. there is no such a word as closure. closure does not exist. life is different. now you get to choose what you're going to do with it. you can be bitter. you can be angry. or you can be happy. those are your choices. >> while some of ted kaczynski

i mean, it was found in timothy mcveigh's car after the oklahoma bombings. >> where do you go from there i confronted him and just asked him like, what is all of this stuff? and he looked me dead in the eye and just said, i think i'm a fascist, and i don't want to be with anyone who can't support that. and then i packed up whatever i had with me and left. and i was crying. by the time i got to my house i was like, i need to understand it, though, like where did this come from? >> reporter: she says she spent the next five days scouring the internet for information in an effort to convince herself that her boyfriend wasn't racist. a few days later she calls him. >> and i tell him, i'll try and understand this with you. and so i start consuming more media. >> were all these videos violent? >> no. i mean, a lot of it was, here's a baking show with this woman who is dressed like a traditional woman on a prairie. >> she's really smart, but she didn't know enough to know the things that were talking points and the things that were propaganda and how to push back against them with reality. >> r

i'm thinking timothy mcveigh and the oklahoma city bombing. >> tme, it's not about the offender and the violence. they have to be held accountable. i absolutely believe in bi accounty. i believe we have an obligation to protect people from others who would try to harm us. we don't have. to execute anybody.y.but we have the abili confe and toimprison people without execution. for me, the questio is, is there a system so free oias that doesn't discrimination against the poor, that doesn't allowiticss to influence their decision making, and i can't see that system. i d't see that system. >> you've been making that argument for many years now. yo have even made it one firing line in the past y anger brian stevenson in 1994 argued,articipated in a debate on the merits of the death penenty and demerits of thth death penalty and i would like t w show youom of your arguments. >> the state of georgia, when a black defend is sentenced to death and 4 of the 12 jurors say that the ku klux klan do good coings in the unity, when hat defense lawyer says i believe my client is genetically that's why i'

circumances, really severe as circumstances, of mass murder, where the pertrator is i'm thinking timothy mcveigh and the oklahoma city bombing. >> to me, it's not about the offender and the violence. people do horrific things, and they have to be held accounble. i absolutely believe in accountability. i believe we have an obligation to protect people fro other who would try to harm us. we don't have to execute anavody.y. but we the ability to confine and to imprison people without execution. for me, theisuestion , is there a system so free of bias that doesn't discriminatio against thor, that doesn't allow piticss to influence their decision making, and iee can'that system. i d't see that system. >> you've been making that argument for man years now. yo have even made it on firing line in the past. a youngerrian stevenson in 1994 argued,n participated debate on the merits of the death penenty and derits of thth death penalty and i would like to show you some of your arguments. >> thetate oforgia, when a black defend is sentenced to death and 4 of the 12 jurors say that the ku klux klan do good t

timothy mcveigh was executed.e the goods on james, so the charges were dropped. >> i'm glad to be free and get on with my life. >> did timothy mcveigh stay here? >> yes. longest period, three months or so. i don't know. he was a nice guy. >> decent guy? >> oh, yeah. >> they didn't find anything on this farm? >> as to what? bomb-making material? >> any explosives. >> yeah. i had blasting caps, dynamite fuse, black powder, you know, sure. diesel fuel, fertilizer. it is normal farm stuff. it is no way connected in any way whatsoever to the oklahoma city bombing or bomb making. them people, law enforcement if you want to call them that, were here, and they were shaking in their shoes. they were physically shaking. scared to death. >> of? >> because they thought this was going to be another waco. because certain people, namely my ex-wife and other people, said i'm a radical. i'm a wild man. i got a gun under every arm, down every leg, every shoe, every corner of the house. you say something to me, i'll shoot ya. if the

remember, i remember most viscerally on april 19, thank you 95, sitting in my office the day that timothy mcveigh drove a ryder truck up to the front of the alfred p. murrah federal building in oklahoma city. he detonated that truck killing 168 americans and injuring about 500 others. and i spent the entire day sitting in my office staring at the wall listening to the radio, with no work. i could not break away from the coverage of that event. it was something about what was happening on the ground. i couldn't explain it to myself that time, but i knew i wanted to be there. i just don't need to be a part of that, to be in the rubble, inside the smoking hole helping those innocent people have been touched so dreadfully by terrorism, and most importantly, the part of that team is going to have the responsibility to find the people who were responsible and bringing them to justice. cyber never that time as being particularly stuff, waiting for the fbi to give me the call. i did get it eventually join 1997 so on that sunday night packed up my stuff, go down to quantico, virginia. at quantico is a ver

i remember, i remember most daythel 7 timothy mcveigh drove a truck to the front of the alfred p. murrah federal building in oklahoma city, detonating the truck, killing 168, injuring others. i spent the entire day sitting in my office staring at the wall listening to the radio, no work. i could not break away from the coverage of that event. there was something about what was happening on the ground. i could not explain it to myself at that time, but i knew i wanted to be there. i felt the need to be a part of that, to be in the rubble, smoking building, helping those touched so dreadfully by terrorism, and most importantly, being a part of that team that would have the responsibility to find those people responsible and bring them to justice. so i remember that time as being particularly tough, waiting for the fbi to give me a call, but i did get it eventually in july 1996. on that sunday night, i packed up my stuff and drove to quantico, virginia. quantico is a regimented place. you are told where to be at every minute of the day and must be early and don't be late, the whole n

i remember, most viscerally, on april 19th, 1995, sitting in my office the day that timothy mcveigh, drove a ryder truck up to the front of the federal building in oklahoma, city. detonated that truck killing a 160 americans and injuring about 500 others. and i spent the entire day, sitting in my office staring at the wall listening to the radio. i cannot break away from the coverage of that if it. it was somethingra about what ws happening on the ground that it couldn't explain it to myself at times, but i knew i wanted to be there. the need to be a part of that. to be in the rubble in spite of the smoky halls, helping those innocent people who had been touched. dreadfully by terrorism, and most important being part of that team was going to have the responsibility to find this people responsible in bringing them to justice. so remember that time is being particularlyem tough. waiting for the fbi to give me a call. i did get it eventually in july of 1996. so on that sunday night, i packed my stuff drove down to quantico, virginia. it's a very regimented place. you know told exactly

obviously timothy mcveigh. there's an effort of gathering intelligence on individuals prepared to conduct terrorism and violent acts in the united states. and to arrest those people and charge them and if there's evidence to convict them. what we are seeing that's new is the technological means they have to use the social media dimension, which also brings in the private sector and having seen some private sector, including facebook officials last week, i know this has been a challenge for what they do on their platforms. to what degree is this also a private sector issue? any thoughts before we get to the solutions panel on how to deal with -- hate is free speech, so how do we think about this threat on these online platforms? >> i know george, adl had a pretty active set of engagements with the private sector. i'll let you go first and i'll chime in after. >> very quickly, the solution set here is not government should do this, private sector should do that. platforms are at risk for exposing other innocent u