to be a demonstrably evil, horrific, and heinous crime, if it's adolf hitler, saddam hussein, timothy mcveigh, joe carson i of -- dzokar tsarnaev. the last time we debated, you discussed a case about a man who kidnapped his ex-girlfriend's children from another relationship and stay them out in an alligator patch to be eaten by alligators, and you concluded that argument dramatically much in the way you concluded your argument about the boston marathon bombing case with the idea that some crimes are so heinous that only a punishment of death is somehow proportionate to the heinousness of the people -- the evil demonstrated in those cases, and that is a very common debating point. let me tell you my response to that. what makes you think that a single, relatively painless death is a sufficient, proportionate response to the heinousness of these crimes? why shouldn't we, in dealing with someone like tsarnaev, who maimed dozens of people and killed 4 -- why shouldn't we, one by one, blow up each of his limbs and then kill him? why wouldn't that be proportionate to the heinousness he unleashed in

. >>> on this day, april 19th, 26 years ago, timothy mcveigh bombed the feld building in oklahoma cityilding. in a people in oklahoma city today, the attorney general membered that horrible day. >> 26 years ago, i was sitting in my office in the united states department of justice in washington when the urgent report came through from oklahoma city. it was soon followed by a second urgent report and a third. there had been an explosion at the murrah building. four hours later, i was on a plane heading to oklahoma. >> he was in charge of the investigation of timothy mcveigh. he fits the profile of many trump supporters who invaded the capitol. a military veteran who got in involved with white supremacists. he got his first bomb training from an extremist group in michigan where the state attorney general is prosecuting 12 officials, for a plot to kidnap governor gretchen whitner. >> just last month, the fbi warned of the on going and heightened threat posed by domestic extremists. those of us who were in oklahoma in april 1995 do not need warning. the department of justice is stopping e

the oklahoma city bombing more on the memorial held today to honor the 168 people who died when timothy mcveighk filled with explosives right in front of the federal building there in oklahoma city. the weather's perfect... family is all together and we switched to geico; saved money on our boat insurance. how could it get any better than this? dad, i just caught a goldfish! there's no goldfish in this lake. whoa! it's pure gold. we're gonna be rich... we're gonna be rich! it only gets better when you switch and save with geico. the murrah federal building that killed 168 people each and every one of their names was read aloud at that memorial today. u s attorney general merrick garland joined family members, survivors and first responders at the memorial. garland led the justice department's investigation into the attack and the prosecution of bomber timothy mcveigh back in 1995. president biden today invited a bipartisan group of lawmakers to the white house to talk about his info. structure proposal, which he is calling the american jobs plan. the president says he wanted to speak directly t

what happened with the oklahoma city bombing is we got the story of timothy mcveigh and a few co-conspiracieseep connections with the white power movement that fomented that action. white power changed its methods very effectively in a way that would allow it to resurface in the moment. to be clear in the white power movement, when we're talking about is cells attempting to overthrow the nation. the nation is not the united states. it is the aryan nation. we see a lot of stories about the changing face of america. when the nation as a whole will no longer be majority white. >> what is happening in america is that white nationalism ideology is running wild, and the reason why buildings are burning is because this city, this state would prefer preserving that white nationalism and that white supremacist mind-set over arresting, charging, and helping to convict four officers who killed a black man. >> i'm so tired of the police saying, i was afraid. afraid of what? you got a gun with 15 shots. you can call in backup from everywhere. what are you afraid of? >> the klan, at a time when they were b

and investigating the deadly act of terrorism back in 1995 where 168 people were killed when timothy mcveighp. murrah federal building. >>> two people died in a fiery car crash involving one of tesla's driverless cars. all of it happened last night in texas. firefighters spent hours putting out the fire and had to use 30,000 gallons of water. here's abc's gio bonitez with more on that and questions about who was driving. >> reporter: tonight mystery surrounding a deadly crash in houston involving a tesla model caur cera tetr d burst into flames. two men inside were killed. the tesla's high energy battery reigniting over and over again, firefighters trying to put the fire out for four hours with more than 30,000 gallons of water. the fire eventually put itself out. now tonight the question, was the tesla running on autopilot? firefighters found the men in the front passenger seat and c newswas in the driver's seat. authorities say the men had just dropped their wives off at home and wanted to take the tesla out for a test drive, evidence at the scene allegedly showing it was going very fast.

. >>> today march 26 years since the oklahoma city bombing. 168 people were killed when timothy mcveighked a truck packed with explosives outside the federal building. the attorney general is speaking at the memorial ceremony today. yesterday, he visited a church in tulsa. he led the charge in prosecuting and investigating the deadly act in 1995. the bomber was executed. his co-conspirator is serving 161 consecutive life terms. coming up tonight on world news tonight with david mure, the first exclusive tv interview with merrick garland since his confirmation in march. pierre thomas will have that tonight at 5:30 right here on abc7. >>> and northbay community is preparing to support unaccompanied migrant children who cross the border. the district tells the marin independent journal that they plan to hire new counselors. marin county nonprofits say they will providechildren with legal guidance and connect them with sponsors. marin county says it resettled about 150 on a content the minors per year. >>> a houston facility was abruptly shut down over poor living conditions. sources tell a

like the kla malicious where he met timothy mcveigh, founder of a neo-nazi skinhead gang whose members -- have been convicted up multiple murders. now he is a proud boy. he says on camera that he sees now they can win with someone like trump in power, in office, d just offering them as vehicles to the mainstream. what you mentioned earlier about enrico tarrio, this is a self-conscious mood by the movement to put forward an image of themselves that is difficult for people who have not watched them evolve to classify. people look at them and it is hard to call them white supremacist because it is hard to square that image. the slogan -- pinochet did nothing wrong -- there was one popularized a few years ago about hitler's. suddenly they are a multiethnic, multicultural fascist movement. amy: i want to go to another clip of "american insurrection" about the boogaloo bois. >> i need to see the movement for myself. i go to virginia where boogaloo is marching against a local gun ordinance. 50 protesters show up with body armor, assault rifles, outlawed high-capacity magazines. they carry it

something i black down in the book, even if we look at the example of the oklahoma city bombing by timothy mcveigh and hi accomplice in 18995 that was the deadliest terrorist attack perpetrate by an american citizen on american soil-to date, and yet the initial media coverage of that was pointing to somebody of middle eastern descent which is problem lattic for the assumption and conflating middle east with muslims which is not necessarily true. and also discrediting the many -- the majority of arab americans specifically are actually of christian background as well. so, that's another oversight. but it is the history of america is very much predicate upon white supremacy and that is something that i make clear that we need to learn about and reexamine and understand how the implications of that and how the current infrastructures of our many institutions are very much supported by the notion of white supremacy and why that would feed into the -- essentially the looking looking the other way that is a lowed white nationalist terrorism to flourish in this country and many others ithat's a very good

one of the most famous terrorists timothy mcveigh was radicalized by his platoon sergeants. of the things you can't stop is small talk and scuttlebutt they may pass in the privacy of their own rooms. what we can do is we monitor phone communications and cell phone communications when out on exercises, and we can find out from their chain of command people who are now talking about this. we had that case just recently of a navy department employee who wore his mustache like hitler and talked about the genocide as being fake all the time in his space around members of the armed forces. he wasn't found out until much later. so now that we have a top-down effort to do that, to root these people out, it's going to be a little easier to find out who's radical on all sides. >> there's a story we're following today. a florida nurse just arrested for making death threats against vice president kamala harris. talk to us about the moment we're in, frank, with the threats against elected officials and the role that law enforcement is having to play. >> you know, i note that following th

simpson, scott peterson, michael jackson, timothy mcveigh, a quick verdict except in o.j. simpson is very bad news for the defendant and i think that a lot of defense attorneys that we've talked to over the last several days and weeks would concur with the fact that this does not appear to bode well for derek chauvin who by the way is 44 years old and if convicted on all of these things, unless the sentences run concurrent, it's one after the other, then you're talking about the fact that he could walk out in eight, nine, ten years. >> neil: amazing, i had forgotten about his willingness to go ahead and plead to the third-degree murder charge back in the beginning of all of this. thank you very much, mercedes is on the phone right now, what do you read into this, the quick nature of this, all of the other things you've been hearing, the verdict that we are supposed to hear any minute now. >> most defense attorneys will tell you that if you've got a quick turnaround when the jury is deliberating it is not good news for the defense. so a lot, you can see that from a lot of d

more than 600 people were injured in the attack was carried out by timothy mcveigh and his accomplicey nichols. mcveigh was convicted, sentenced to death and then executed by lethal injection 20 years ago. nichols is currently serving a life sentence without the possibility of parole to federal agencies. now are on their way to the state of texas after two men were killed in a crash involving a driverless tesla police say they are 100% certain no one was in the driver's seat at the time of the crash, and the tesla ran off the road and hit a tree saturday night. one of the men killed was in the passenger seat. the other was located in the back seat. officials are still trying to determine if the vehicle was in autopilot or self driving mode team from the national highway traffic safety administration and the national transportation safety board are investigating. right now. tesla's stock is down more than 3% weekend skydiving outing turned deadly in san joaquin county sheriff deputies say a woman died saturday afternoon after a jump with sky dive lodi parachute center investigators are

he said turned to me and he said i know from our investigation timothy mcveigh, the, bomber surveilled the building before he committed the crime. should out there and looked. he had to know there was a daycare center. a child day care center in the building and he still set the bomb. kill people and killed some of the children. i thought how could somebody be so evil us to blow up a building knowing that there are children inside for some abstract hate reason. i think that is part of the reason why the subject matter included here tonight so compelling. i also want to thank the target. who not only does target sponsor this event they are such friends of law enforcement, they ought to be congratulated and recognized for that. thank you. thank the guests, who we will hear more about in a minute for giving their time. mostly for their service to this country. of which you will hear about one example tonight. i want to thank you for coming. for your interest in coming to this event, which i know you're going to find fascinating, interesting, and compelling. so with that let me introduce o

he turned to me and i said, i know from our investigation that timothy mcveigh, the bomber, surveilled this building before he actually committed the crime, stood out there and looked. and mcveigh had to know there was a daycare center, a child's daycare center in that building. and he still set the bomb, killed people, and killed some of the children. how can somebody be so evil as to blow up a building knowing there were children inside for some abstract hate reason? and that's, i think, part of the reason that this is the subject matter, including what you're going to hear tonight is so compelling. so i want to also thank target for sponsoring this and mahogany who not only sponsored this event, but they are such friends of law enforcement and do so much for the law enforcement community in this country. and they ought to be congratulated and recognized for that. thank you. thank the guests who you'll hear more about in a minute for giving their time, and mostly for their service to this country, of which you'll hear about one example tonight. i want to thank you for coming for your

timothy mcveigh reportedly attended some of its meetings before he blew up the oklahoma city federalson: michigan attorney general dana nessel knows the history well. she says the new generation of militias is different. >> i think the difference is that these folks felt supported by those in government and perhaps at the highest levels of government. you had the president of the united states calling her out by name, calling her a dictator, saying that individuals should liberate michigan. the president of the united states, after these armed gunmen had more or less taken over our capitol building, you know, his words were that these are very fine people and the governor ought to sit down and negotiate with them. can you imagine? that sounds like a hostage crisis more than anything. >> thompson: have you gotten threats? i mean, have people threatened your life? >> (laughs) i'm sorry to laugh. but it's like you should be asking me, "how many days a week are you not getting death threats?" and that's not just me, it's our secretary of state, it's our governor. i think that we would be

not, we're going to have these repeated incidents, whether it was in 1965, 1975, whether it's timothy mcveighce and for all, the issues that have persisted in this nation for far too long, and that's the question of race. >> but do you feel like we're going in the wrong direction when republican politicians -- 47 legislatures are looking at voter restrictions, which are thinly veiled voter suppression laws based on a lie. i mean, republicans, on television, are out there saying these are based on a lie. i mean, it feels like we're moving in the wrong direction on all those questions. >> well, you know, perhaps -- i know we're repeating history. what we see today is very similar to what we see after 1876 with the compromise, the question now that we did not get right then, where and how would our corporate communities stand in this moment? are we going to, in this inflection point, push forward or continue to repeat the history that's not healthy for our democracy? >> so, where do you come down on decisions like the recent one from major league baseball to move the all-star game out of atlanta

timothy mcveigh was sentenced and died for that. >> dana: encourage people to go to a museum there. >raveled to st. louis with the nfl expansion when everything occurred. the eyes of the country were fixated on this enormous tragedy. the next day they were looking for survivors. they had a firefighters ladder that extended probably 6 1/2 stories into the building and they brought a man down as you see time and again from that building. >> dana: my mom, the trial was held in denver and my mom worked for a lutheran family at the time and they coordinated volunteers and stand in line for family members to have a chance to get into the trial that day. >> bill: your point about the memorial is well taken. every step you take at that memorial in oklahoma city means something. it is profound if you get a chance. >> dana: really well done. let's talk about this. many restaurants are struggling to get back to full capacity even though the state in texas lifted all covid restrictions. owners say they are having trouble staffing because people are making more on unemployment benefits. we talked

individuals are dangerous and the quintessential historical example from the 1980 -- 1990's as timothy mcveighok his experience in the military and detonated a massive bomb in oklahoma city against the murray building. that is the problem when you're talking about individuals committed to violence with a background that allows them to do it easier than most americans. host: mike in white plains, new york. guest: are you there? --caller: are you there? can i make my comment? the comment is this. what i am going to use is very strong language. so do not cut me off please. can you promise me that? host: i cannot. caller: these are the equivalent of stormtroopers in germany in the 1930's before the fall of the weimar republic. they are dangerous, deadly, and believe it or not, they are equivalent to the stormtroopers and guess what? donald trump is just like mussolini, but the next one who comes over is going to be far more dangerous. that is all i have to say. host: any response to that? guest: what i would say, he mentioned germany. what i would say, shifting to germany in the present tense, the

. >> michael schmidt, we've heard time and again that merrick garland was shaped by the timothy mcveighw much of his service in government now shaped by what he saw over the past four years. what he saw with bill barr, with donald trump, with donald trump repeatedly right to breach the line between the presidency and the doj. >> he's -- garland has interestingly embraced the legacy of attorney general levy, the attorney general that came in right after nixon left office. when the justice department probably found itself in the most analogous situation to the one that it is in today, where it had been politicized, the public's confidence in its integrity had come into question. the clash between the institution, the presidency, and the rule of law had really just played out. and garland has embraced levy's legacy and even put his portrait in his office. he referenced him in a speech. he was the only previous attorney general that he referenced in his speech, when he first came in, just a month ago. and what the legacy is is one of, we are a justice department that is dedicated to just fo

with timothy mcveigh of the 1990s put into the system today with social media as it is you can imagine how much more difficult if you looked, for instance, at terrorism how much difficult that is to do it. it is a real concern for us. we are getting accurate insider threat programs that have already been underway and we are looking at things like secret clearance, reform approaches and thinking through our monitoring just as the intelligence community does, monitoring of our unclassified systems, for example to make sure they're not being misused for these purposes and all the while we are keeping right at the center and of course, the right of americans to free speech and the fact that this is not reinforcing time again and this is not about politics but this is about supporting the oath of office people take in ensuring we are looking glass at her teammates and ensure they are healthy and mentally healthy and not succumbing to recommit practices whether from a foreign power or a counterintelligence perspective or it's from a radicalizing webpage. >> just listening to talk it's such a