and his name is timothy schwartz and he's a very learned person, speaks creole and has lived in haiti for years so you can read his take on this but i have a lot of experience with people like the -- i didn't catch the school teacher's name but i will later. i worked with a lot of good people including people of faith working with church-based groups. a lot of good experience. now, the question -- you didn't ask did i meet a lot of them or what was their motivations was how effective has it been. i would say not give ourselves more than a c grade. i'm inspired by the school kids, the high schoolers. we shouldn't, right? because you look at all the good will and you look -- i just told you haiti is the almost food insecure company. half of all school-aged children in haiti were not in school. and so we can't be patting ourselves on the back too much. we should pat a little bit lower. >> good. >> it goes back to this business, right, of having to empower and everybody talks about this really who's thought about this for 14 seconds you need a good strong central organization, public heal