timothy snyder discusses his book at the ukrainian institute of america in new york city. it's an hour and ten minutes. 64. it's a delight to be here. i appreciate you taking an hour of this bright and perfect afternoon in new york to spend it listening to an account of what may be the single darkest chapter in the history of the modern west. what i would like to talk to you about this afternoon is a catastrophe. a catastrophe in which 14 million people, chiefly children and women in the ages were killed over the space of just 12 years by two regimes, the nazi german regime and the stalinist regime in the soviet union. this total figure of 14 million is in itself i think astonishing it is too large to grasp and i will return to what that means and how we might try to grasp that but it's also a number that tells us something very special about the two regimes. we now know or have least have a pretty good certainty about the total number of people killed by their regimes. it was about 17 million. of those 17 million, about 14 million were killed in a place the line calling t

[applause] >> think snyder -- timothy snyder is the author of several books including the reconstruction of nations and "the red prince." for more information about his new book, "blood lands," visit perseus books group.com/basic. >> host: author and former cia analyst and head of the cia's bin laden unit michael shower has a new book coming out. it's a boig iffy on osama bin laden, and michael sawyer joins us to preview his book. one of the things you write in your book is something i'd like you to expand on. bin laden is not the caricature that we made of him. indeed, if i only had ten qualities to enumerate in drafting a biographical sketch of him, they would be pious, brave, generous, intelligence, charismatic, patient, visionary, stub bonn, egalitarian and most of all, realistic. >> guest: yes, sir. i think he's very much an enemy who we immediate to respect because of his capabilities. much like the allies felt about rommel during world war ii. they know they needed to kill him, but they had to be respectful of his ability to fight them. and i'm afraid what we have gotten from some

[applause] [applause] >> timothy snyder is a history professor at yale university and the author of several books, including "the reinstruction of several nations," and "reprince." for more information visit perseusbooksgroup.com and search the author's name. >> we're here talking about the best seller game change. is there another book in the works for the two of you. >> there is. we're working on a sequel. hbo is making a movie about this one, and at the same time, we're working on the book about the next presidential campaign. >> will there be any kind of paperback update? >> there is. we have a new one that takes into account over everything that's happened between the 22 months between the last election and this one. :