. >> the purpose of this meeting if one could talk almost psychologically to demonstrate to timothy thatcher how much you were quote one of us. was that part of your purpose? >> no. of course you appreciated the importance of a face-to-face meeting. that's why you requested it, is that right? >> yes. >> and as mr. -- >> the purpose was not to tell her about president regan. >> she knew anyway. >> yes. >> the paragraph four, the main reason for the visit was to brief the prime minister on your bid for the "times" newspaper and then you explained to her what your bid bid amounted to in financial terms, and then you treated her to some tunes about who else had bid, is that fair? >> yes. that was pure speculation. i don't think thompson told me of anyone. >> why was this important to you that mrs. thatcher understand the nature and quilt of your bid? >> well, as i said, this was the movement of a great institution. which -- find closure. and i thought it was perfectly right that she should know what was at stake. >> but she knew that anyway, mr. murdoch. >> no. i don't think she did know that th