jones most likely to succeed. and there's something about this picture of cain -- >> hold it up, tina. right over here. where is this? >> morehouse college when he was a student. and there's something about the sort of strut of cain in that picture. the aspiration, the desire to get ahead, the kind of very american sort of iconic moment of this -- these two people trying to get ahead in america from the ground up that i do think is enormously appealing. and although, of course, his 9-9-9 was taken apart by everyone on the platform, he does have a great appeal. i could see a romney/cain ticket, actually. i think they might be incredible as a ticket. >> cain has optimism down. he's had this cheery optimism. >> you and i have talked about this. if herman cain were a democrat -- >> oh, gosh. >> the pieces that would be written about his story the way they were written about barack obama's story. he came from the segregated south, his mother was a maid, his father that janitor, and a driver for coca-cola executive. first to go to the college, worked for the united states navy, served on the board of the kan