and that tiner drive. and a sense of doing it beyond yourself for a greater purpose and having a sense of mission in the campaign. so i learned a lot. there are highs and lows on every campaign. it really tests your inner self. >> you talk about your mom and dad, the plywood business that they still operate. where did you grow up? >> i was born in albany county. my family has had a home in essex county since i have 3. i spent a lot of time between albany and essex county, up and down norway. my dad actually started off in the plywood and lumber business after he graduated from high scoop 3 he worked his way up in the warehouse. he ended up managing a local branch of a plywood distribution company. and when i was 7, my parents started their own business to local on the local small business customers and bringing the highest quality products with the best customer service. so 20 years plus later, we have over 1,000 small business customers. my brother is deeply involved in the business. when you see your par