we have a recording of him and a 105-year-old singing its along with to tipperary.t's a picture in the book of him playing his guitar and the front porch is totally worn down. he was a wonderful musician and when nancy saw that photo she was able to add that layer. it first became a joke but the joke was on them because they were wonderful musicians. here is the only known picture of them with one of their captors out to barnes in 1922. once their mother got them back and was able through a very poor track if legal battle to get them paid, you can see in the pictures that they have more agents in their lives. they're happier. this is a casual backyard picture. they had friends and they played music. i interviewed interview people who remember them playing music and the music gave them this agency and this power. any skill that we have, like writing makes me feel good when it's working. music made them feel good and it gave them something to do and it gave them self power. >> can you describe what their life was like in the circus before their mother got them in afte