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they're saying tish james and the d.a. are politically motivated. >> thank you for that reporting. joining us now gloria borger, timothy o'brien, the author of "trump nation, the art of being the donald." and jeffrey toobin. this letter from mazars, is it wrong to read into it? this is tantmamount to saying trump lied to us? >> it's the only logical inference you could draw. the accountant says give me your financial data and we will turn it into a tax return, a financial statement, but they rely on the candor and honesty of their clients and what this letter says is that we can't rely on the candor and honesty of this client, the trump organization. now, who prepared the false information? who knew information that had been provided to the accountants was false? that's not disclosed here. was it donald trump himself? was it lower level people in the organization? not clear, but what is clear is that the numbers were wrong. >> common to do? >> super uncommon. by the way, the trump organization's comment that this somehow vindicates them is nuts. i mean, it's quite the opposite. >>
they're saying tish james and the d.a. are politically motivated. >> thank you for that reporting. joining us now gloria borger, timothy o'brien, the author of "trump nation, the art of being the donald." and jeffrey toobin. this letter from mazars, is it wrong to read into it? this is tantmamount to saying trump lied to us? >> it's the only logical inference you could draw. the accountant says give me your financial data and we will turn it into a tax return, a financial...
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they had that delicious little term in their letter that tish james released, in which they referred to, we have an unwavable conflict. and i read that to read they're cooperating. and they're cooperating with prosecutors. which, you know, in trump's world, his in-house accountant has been indicted. his external accountant appears to be cooperating with prosecutors. so everyone that knows the money trail and where it leads is on the opposite side of the table from him now. again, this is a fresh situation for him. people talk about donald trump having nine lives, i think he's on his 8 1/2, he has not been able to navigate a scenario where he's got a well resourced prosecutors breathing down his neck like this. >> he has not been able to beat these things in new york. when leticia james says no one is above the law, well, in new york, it seems interesting that this is where he is going to be held account. as you said, you were part of the team that did it. so it is only, to my knowledge, been done in new york. this is the judge refuting this argument that the -- that they have washed
they had that delicious little term in their letter that tish james released, in which they referred to, we have an unwavable conflict. and i read that to read they're cooperating. and they're cooperating with prosecutors. which, you know, in trump's world, his in-house accountant has been indicted. his external accountant appears to be cooperating with prosecutors. so everyone that knows the money trail and where it leads is on the opposite side of the table from him now. again, this is a...
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anyway, having said that, tish james has compiled a significant amount of evidence in the process butstion the former president and his children and then determine the next move, so what if they're taking the fifth and she's not able to extract any information from any sort of an interview or testimony that's offered? >> well, in new york law, and i'm not a lawyer, but i'm -- i do teach law at syracuse university. under new york law, in a civil proceeding, a judge can instruct a jury that exercising your fifth amendment right in a civil proceeding is grounds to draw an adverse inference from that. that is, the reason the individual took the fifth amendment was because answering the question would show wrongdoing on their part. so, they got real problems here if tish james ultimately, as i'm confident she will do, files a civil lawsuit, and she could ultimately seek the dissolution of the trump organization, just as previous new york attorney generals got donald trump's fake university shut down and his fake charity shut down. >> david, you have been studying the trumps for so long now
anyway, having said that, tish james has compiled a significant amount of evidence in the process butstion the former president and his children and then determine the next move, so what if they're taking the fifth and she's not able to extract any information from any sort of an interview or testimony that's offered? >> well, in new york law, and i'm not a lawyer, but i'm -- i do teach law at syracuse university. under new york law, in a civil proceeding, a judge can instruct a jury that...
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i think tish james has been judicious at times. but be that as it may the judge said the evidence i'm seeing is incontrovertible. now with all of them fought just donald trump but donald trump jr. and ivanka trump and eric, all being forced to testify under oath. if they get to a point where they're going to simply not do what eric did and take the fifth hundreds of times, they're going to have to make very sure their stories line up, make sure there's no evidence on the table that contradicts any lies or misstatements they make. and that's a very, very tricky situation. on top it, donald trump is about the worst client you could put into a deposition. i have to believe his lawyers are pulling their hair out. on monday they're saying donald trump has no knowledge in a specific way about any of his own finances, which of course has no credibility, that statement. but they've said that. and a day later he's on social media like yosemite sam shooting himself in his own feet and blowing up his own legal defense. >> as elie said, lawyer
i think tish james has been judicious at times. but be that as it may the judge said the evidence i'm seeing is incontrovertible. now with all of them fought just donald trump but donald trump jr. and ivanka trump and eric, all being forced to testify under oath. if they get to a point where they're going to simply not do what eric did and take the fifth hundreds of times, they're going to have to make very sure their stories line up, make sure there's no evidence on the table that contradicts...
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and the one everybody has been speculating about, katie, is what is in the letter that tish james usedhis week where she said there was a conflict that couldn't be wreck sized. and does that mean they're lining up with the attorney general's office that they're lining up? there's some indication they could be doing that, that they could possibly find themselves at some risk and decide that cooperation is a better course of action. that could be very dangerous for the former president. nobody wants to have their accountants explosion all of the details. in this case, one of the most important things that tish james is undoubtedly looking at is where decision-making power was held inside the trump organization and who turned over the details that ma jars used in compiling the statement of accounts. this is the sort of information if you're the down ant doing this work, you know who you're dealing with, you know who you go back to when you have questions, and that sort of pedestrian information could be very important in this situation. >> so many investigations, so many questions. joyce,
and the one everybody has been speculating about, katie, is what is in the letter that tish james usedhis week where she said there was a conflict that couldn't be wreck sized. and does that mean they're lining up with the attorney general's office that they're lining up? there's some indication they could be doing that, that they could possibly find themselves at some risk and decide that cooperation is a better course of action. that could be very dangerous for the former president. nobody...
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and our evidence, i don't think, was nearly as voluminous as -- as -- as what tish james's office has and what the manhattan da's office has and as elie pointed out, the -- you know, the evidence is so voluminous, that the judge essentially said to the trumps dispense with this idea that this is a political -- um -- prosecution. i think the trumps had a lot to point to. i think tish james has been injudicious at times but, be that as it may, the judge is saying there is something here and we are going to take a close look at it. and now, of all of them -- not just donald trump but donald trump jr. and ivanka trump and eric -- all being forced to testify under oath. if they get to a point where they are not going to simply do what eric did and take the fifth hundreds of times, they are going to have to make very sure their stories line up. they are going to have to make very sure that there's not evidence on the table that contradicts any lies or misstatements they make, and that's a very, very tricky situation. on top of it, donald trump is about the worst client you could put into a
and our evidence, i don't think, was nearly as voluminous as -- as -- as what tish james's office has and what the manhattan da's office has and as elie pointed out, the -- you know, the evidence is so voluminous, that the judge essentially said to the trumps dispense with this idea that this is a political -- um -- prosecution. i think the trumps had a lot to point to. i think tish james has been injudicious at times but, be that as it may, the judge is saying there is something here and we...
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what exactly does tish james hope to get?s are all about who was in control of the business, who knew what was going on, who directed it. and so you could envision a deposition where, for instance, the lawyers might go through every person involved in running this pretty small family-owned business and talk about what level of authority and control each of them had. things shift a little bit when trump becomes the president because we know he at least on paper gave up control of the company, so these will be important details to parse. >> what sort of ramifications, if any, could yesterday's decision in the civil matter have on criminal investigations into the trump family business? >> so i haven't heard a lot of people talking about this yet and at least for me this is puzzling. we call this a parallel investigation, when you have civil and criminal cases running together in tandem, and the typical rule here is that the civil case either voluntarily or if you have to, to -- and i have had situations where i've had a criminal
what exactly does tish james hope to get?s are all about who was in control of the business, who knew what was going on, who directed it. and so you could envision a deposition where, for instance, the lawyers might go through every person involved in running this pretty small family-owned business and talk about what level of authority and control each of them had. things shift a little bit when trump becomes the president because we know he at least on paper gave up control of the company, so...
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the new york ag tish james investigation here is civil.ndment in a civil case -- inference can be drawn. that is the fact that you took the fifth amendment can be used against you and can cause you to lose the civil case. but it also creates issues when donald trump must simultaneously face possible criminal indictment, investigation for example in georgia. congress may make a criminal referral on his behalf. and, you know, it signals -- imagine if it comes to a former president of the united states taking the fifth amendment? that'll be shocking and it will have broader repercussion. >> and of course you can just play the sound bites that show all the times he has spoken himself as a candidate or president and pejoratively vilify people. for having done that very notion, and what he hoped it would intimate, if not guarantee about one's choice. so, it's interesting notion here. final thought, though, norm, please contextualize for people the impact of mazar this week saying that the last ten years of things are unreliable. that word, "unre
the new york ag tish james investigation here is civil.ndment in a civil case -- inference can be drawn. that is the fact that you took the fifth amendment can be used against you and can cause you to lose the civil case. but it also creates issues when donald trump must simultaneously face possible criminal indictment, investigation for example in georgia. congress may make a criminal referral on his behalf. and, you know, it signals -- imagine if it comes to a former president of the united...
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this is all happening in the context of tish james the new york to journey generals to take dispositionrmer president and ivanka and don jr.. so, she saying there was a lot of fraud, a lot of sketchy stuff going on. i need to dispose them. and some of the things that she pled and her january pleating that you filed with the court, are pretty remarkable. for instance in regard to the seventh springs property in westchester county, she said that they were told by someone who is valuing the property that it was worth between 29 and $50 million. they turned around and told maze are that it was worth 100 and $61 million. so, if this all holds up there is some insight into the sorts of internal and external documents that mazer is as now seen, and it's caused them to take this step. the bottom line here is this, there may be something to suggest it was legitimate business practice issue, if not legitimate at least the banks did not rely on these documents too much. that they knew that the puffery was going on. but when it comes to filing taxes you cannot make that argument about uncle sam. an
this is all happening in the context of tish james the new york to journey generals to take dispositionrmer president and ivanka and don jr.. so, she saying there was a lot of fraud, a lot of sketchy stuff going on. i need to dispose them. and some of the things that she pled and her january pleating that you filed with the court, are pretty remarkable. for instance in regard to the seventh springs property in westchester county, she said that they were told by someone who is valuing the...
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if i'm tish james, i think there's value in listening to those responses, and then deciding how to proceed. and what do you ultimately want a jury to hear. not because you want to prejudice them against the former president, but because you want them to have an understanding of whether this company, what its practices were challenged, did its principles cooperate with the attorney general? because they're in charged with ensuring that there are no fraudulent business practices in the state of new york, or where they difficult to deal with? that seems to me to be very relevant in the upcoming trial. >> one of the arguments asserted today by the attorney for trump was that attorney general letitia james is a politically biased law enforcement officer. they pointed to campaign comments from james pledging to investigate donald trump. joyce, do you think there's a situation where comments like that can be used against attorney general james? >> there is a long-standing principle that the court relies on in its opinion. and it says that just a prosecutor doesn't like you, doesn't mean that they
if i'm tish james, i think there's value in listening to those responses, and then deciding how to proceed. and what do you ultimately want a jury to hear. not because you want to prejudice them against the former president, but because you want them to have an understanding of whether this company, what its practices were challenged, did its principles cooperate with the attorney general? because they're in charged with ensuring that there are no fraudulent business practices in the state of...
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. >> and i ask because it seems like the people holding this president accountable the most are tish james and also that whole election demire case. the national archives did confirm that trump took 15 boxes of documents to mar-a-lago including some marked top secret. trump of course has denied wrongdoing as he is known do. but we're also having this conversation while there are rumors circulating about him running in 2024. will this have any impact on midterms, any impact on the speculation about him running again? and i should say we're way over time, but i do want to give you a chance to answer. >> i'll say very quickly that the hypocrisy of the "new york times" is off the charts if you look at what they did to hillary clinton and her email scandal where they buried the story of trump eating classified documents and show you how much bias that we have in the media for trump. in terms of punishment, i think one of the problems is that the presidential records act has no teeth. but destroying of classified documents, that is what we got oliver north on. so we should maximally prosecute th
. >> and i ask because it seems like the people holding this president accountable the most are tish james and also that whole election demire case. the national archives did confirm that trump took 15 boxes of documents to mar-a-lago including some marked top secret. trump of course has denied wrongdoing as he is known do. but we're also having this conversation while there are rumors circulating about him running in 2024. will this have any impact on midterms, any impact on the...
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three will have to silt for depositions in the civil investigations by the state attorney general, tish james. but the trump attorneys have signaled they are likely to appeal >> and almost three quarters of americans are now immune to the covid omicron variant. according to the institute for health metrics and evaluation. immunity could rise to 80% by the middle of next month researchers say they're optimistic even if there is a search in cases, they do not expect hospitalizations and deaths to surge along the way. as the secretary of state decliers i am here not to start a war but to prevent one, we'll have the latest from ukraine after the olympics coverage, 7:00 eastern, cnbc >> we'll see you then, shep. thank you. >>> shake shack shares slipping after reporting some mixed numbers. up next, an analyst will tell us what he wants to hear on the conference call which kicks off at the top of the hour later, brian kelly on whether investors should be buying bitcoin. stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives and th
three will have to silt for depositions in the civil investigations by the state attorney general, tish james. but the trump attorneys have signaled they are likely to appeal >> and almost three quarters of americans are now immune to the covid omicron variant. according to the institute for health metrics and evaluation. immunity could rise to 80% by the middle of next month researchers say they're optimistic even if there is a search in cases, they do not expect hospitalizations and...