the article you are referencing that my student tj grayson and i wrote wasrying to make the point that long as we have police doing so many of these functions that could be done by nonpolice actors, we are going to have unnecessary violence and unnecessary racism and unfairness. so i think going forward, the big challenge we face as a nation is yes, to have accountability in individual cases like what we are seeing now in indianapolis, but we have to be asking ourselves, do we need and want police to be doing as much as they have been tasked to do? do we need them responding to people who are suffering from addiction, people suffering from mental health crises? do we need them enforcing traffic laws the way they have done? that is what that op-ed was trying to do, to say, what if we read today nonpolice force, civilians, unarmed, who are responsible for keeping our roads safe. that is the kind of thinking i think we are going to need to undertake as a nation going forward. steve: thank you. what is your thinking on that? and i have to be honest -- i have done various shows on this, i h