in the tnc any fractionization within the tnc leadership that would impede their ability to make decisions in the group or advance against gadhafi. >> no, i don't see that as an issue. as i said, the main ones are with the tnc and they are on the front lines not only in brega but they are sending fighters out to the western areas and misrata so they're with the cause. >> taking a larger picture, it does seem in the last few weeks that despite their nice plans and papers and proposals and, you know, meetings that they're having, that there does seem to be kind of some disarray on the ground and i think it probably stems from the fact that there's been so little of institutions of any type of government in libya for so many years that, you know, these people are not really used to kind of all working together towards a common goal. so are you concerned that despite the faÇade that they really have their act together that perhaps they don't. and how can the u.s. help in terms of helping them professionalize themselves and what specific things are you going to do on the ground to help them mai

this is a big, really the first test for the tnc.ecause if he were to be killed, which is entirely possible in a chaotic situation, it would be very bad for the reputation of the tnc as a group that wants democracy. do they give him up to the international criminal court, the icc, because he was accused of crimes against humanity? that's a test now of whether the tnc can move toward democracy. very complicated. >> lui ocampo spoke to us and said he was hoping negotiations would start tomorrow to arrange for the transfer of saif gadhafi. there wasn't direct contact between the icc and the tnc that through channels, the belief was that saif al islam had not been harmed. >> it's a tough decision. do you keep him and maintain the sovereign hold over someone who's guilty of crimes against your people or is it a good hot potato to get rid of. >> the expectation is he'll be transferred to the international criminal court but it is an uncertain, unstable situation. many things have happened over the past three days that nobody expected to ha

that would be the same kind of challenge for the tnc going forward in libya.nately, libya does not necessarily have the strong institutions like you see in a country like egypt. egypt could fall back on a respected institution like the military, which has been shepherding its transitions, so libya is going so need a lot of support but by and large this is libyans coming together recognizing the opportunity that they have. >> we do know, though, that thus far the u.s. is involved, jeffrey feltman has been in benghazi talking to the opposition, the tnc, asking they be democratic, asking that they be politically and geographically inclusive, going forward specifically in terms of the u.s., how involved will we be in the transition? >> certainly the united states and international community will be in the way to help libya one of the things they need quickly is money and one of the actions of the u.n. is in locking the funds frozen for some time to make sure there are resources available for the libyans to move forward. then there will be this technical assistance

>> what i'm hearing that more than 85% of the -- even more of tripoli is under control of the tnc. there are some box here and there. gadhafi is taking some sensitive places like hospitals and like hotels where they have some forces loyal to him. and the main issue to now, tripoli in general is under control. they're taking care of the check points and tripoli was taken over by minimum casualties. that's really surprising everybody i guess to control tripoli in less than maybe 12 hours. >> can the interim governing authority disarm people in tripoli? do you think they can establish some sort of civilian authority? this has been a huge challenge in past revolutions. we've seen what happened in baghdad when the army was dismissed. what about the possibility of looting? >> this is the message we've been sending to the libyan people from maybe the beginning of this revolution. no retaliation. no revenge. and i'm very sure that the tnc when they get over to tripoli they will being up the government after they go through the process which they're supposed to do for the elections and then

. >> i'm a very happy man, very happy man since yesterday when tripoli became under control of the tnc. >> it's moved so -- >> -- in a short time with less casualties. >> because it's moved so quickly. we had dinner at the qatar dinner two weeks ago, you were so depressed, worried, didn't look right. what changed? >> they are well organized, the communication between the tnc and leader of the military groups in the western part is important and smooth and the achievement by the fighters in the western mountains of libya did a great job and because it's important, tripoli always, always invasion of tripoli from the west, not from the east and that's exactly what happened. >> where is moammar gadhafi? >> in tripoli i guess. >> in tripoli. >> i guess. >> where in tripoli? >> i wish i know, then i can tell to get him straight away, i think in tripoli, probably in his compound, which is a stronghold, maybe one of the hospital hospitals. >> he's often gone to hospitals like it's a human shield that no one would bomb a shot hospital. >> that's right. >> you think he might be in one of the hos

. >> you cannot judge the credibility of the tnc for the last six months by one incident.his was miscommunication, misinformation. it's happening like that. the credibility of the tnc, it is proof to the people, not only libyan but the united states government and the international community, they lead the libyan people for this fight to get rid of this gadhafi and they succeed. that's our main goal. saif, mohammad, all this, this is the other issue. >> so you're looking for all these sons in addition to moammar gadhafi. if you find them you'll arrest them. >> of course. of course. >> you'll treat them humanely, i assume. >> this is the call from everybody, not only me but the tnc, dr. dabril. he made all these calls. we have to present to the world that we are a civilized people, we have to deal completely different than what gadhafi did to his -- >> did you see the pictures of that compound? they just ran in, they did an unbelievable job ransacking that place but coming out with files and all sorts of other stuff. it almost liked like they were looting that presidential

libya is under the control of the tnc now. >> very strong statement. the celebrations in libya heard and seen. reactions up next on cnn, the world's news leader. e, you don't have the app store. so you don't have the world's largest selection of apps, that are this easy to find.. and this easy to download right to your phone. so it can be almost anything. like a boarding pass. or do almost anything.. like pay for your coffee. the app store. just one more thing that makes an iphone an iphone. a living, breathing intelligence that's helping drive the future of business. in here, inventory can be taught to learn. ♪ machines have a voice. ♪ medical history follows you. it's the at&t network -- a network of possibilities... committed to delivering the most advanced mobile broadband experience to help move business... forward. ♪ >> in was the scene just a short time ago with the libyans celebrating in freedom square. thousands of people were in the square. benghazi was the scene of some of the first protests. u.s. president barack obama is vacationing on the

this means libya is under the control of the tnc now. >>> the ambassador of the tnc there of the unitedates. financial markets opened for a new week of trade. do the fear and uncertainty from last week remain? kind of a new mood. we'll find out more about it in just a moment. >>> let's update you on the latest from libya. joyful libyans have turned out in the capital of tripoli and other cities to celebrate what they hope is the end of moammar gadhafi's regime. an official with libya's transitional national council tells cnn a great majority of the libyan capital is under control of the rebels but caution there are still pockets of resistance in the city. no one seems to know where colonel gadhafi is at the moment. earlier there were explosions and gunfire near his bab al aziziya compound. the rebels say they captured three of colonel gadhafi's seven sons. >>> let's see what's going on in the financial markets. starting in europe where 105 minutes into the trading day and here is how they look at the moment. quite interesting. we are seeing gains, clearly a new mood. lower oil price, th

we continue to work with the tnc. there is an ongoing nato mission to support on the ground, embargoes, that sort of thing. we also talked about releasing this $1.5 billion in frozen assets. so there are a number of things that the u.s. can do to support the tnc. >> could you give us a sense, since the transition is not happening as quickly as the president was hoping for, exactly what the u.s. commitment is over all? beyond that, i know that you said there will not be u.s. troops on the ground. is the administration pushing nato, european countries to contribute? should there be boots on the ground, even if it is not from the u.s.? >> that was a lot of questions. when jobs out at me is the timing here. muammar gaddafi was a tiring that ruled his country with an iron fist for 42 years. in the space of the last six months, we have seen a group of rebels, with the support of the international community and the u.s., over for that regime. so i think that time frame is pretty remarkable. he had been in power for 42 years,

also, a bit of caution coming separately from a senior administration officials, who says the tnc hasthey look good, but the issue right now is interim period right now, can they actually carry them out. the plans exist, they say so far, and now it's a question of in this chaotic period, whether all of that can come to pass. >> jill dougherty, thanks. and our wolf blitzer is ready to join us after the break. stay with us. t's time for a bet. here, try this. it's yoplait greek. it has two times the protein of regular yogurt. you'll feel satisfied. [ female announcer ] yoplait greek. it is so good. it's pretty good! is my doctor told me calcium is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. and i was a pack-a-day smoker for 25 years. i do remember sitting down with my boys, and i'm like, "oh, promise mommy you'll never ever pick up a cigarette." i had to quit. ♪ my doctor gave me a prescription for chantix, a medi

of which is tnc will form the core. they have put together a rather detailed road map for how they see the transition unfolding. but this is going to be a challenge for them and for the libyan people because there are no institutions of state. there's no history of accountable or normal governance of any sort. it's been a one-man show for 42 years. i think it would be wise for us to be realistic in expecting there will be growing pains. challenges within the opposition coalition as people from different parts of the country who have fought on different fronts as well as civil society and youth leaders and others come together and we hope unite around the program that the transitional national council has laid out for an inclusive transition process that respects the roul of law and allows the libyan people to have the opportunity to choose their leaders and their future peacefully. >> how much can we count on them? how concerned, for instance, should u.s. officials be by the fact that they said they had arrested srks ai

and then the legitimacy of the tnc would be increased. there is one problem regarding the tnc. everybody in libya is immediately come is quickly to dismiss this. what i find strange, everybody says that are no islamists. there are conservatives in the mosque. there are no groups, very few, very limited. but i would be very careful. myself i seem, the radicalism, the conservatism of the people increasing in libya in the last two, three, four years at a high speed we. the news are coming from other parts that talk of how well armed. the people -- so that's an issue that we should consider. where are we now? well, this state of affairs on the ground, in my opinion, three or maybe four. first, it is present. what is going to happen once the tnc announces formation of the government and the people from misratah will fall will not be happy, or the people say i'm not represented, or the people from the guys he say we carried the burden of the fight and then we should need more than you. what will happen in that moment? what will happen when they start to disarm some of the factions an

going forward, we will stay in close coordination with the tnc to support that outcome.uge challenges ahead, the extraordinary events in libya remind us that fear can give way to hope and that the power of people striving for freedom can bring about a brighter day. thank you very much. >> all right. there you have it. you've been listening to president obama making a brief statement from his vacation on ma that's vineyard talking about libya. let's get back to our team here. wolf blitzer joining me as co-anchor on the battle for tripoli coverage. we have fareed zakaria, william cohen and ken robinson, the veteran of u.s. special forces. let me ask you, mr. secretary, first and we'll get to the others in just a moment. do you think we heard what we needed to hear there? when the president talks about a support role for the future of libya, what might that role and what should that role look like, do you think? >> well, first i thought it was a very good speech. it was concise. it was modest. and i think it was inspirational as far as the people of libya in hearing that me

what is your sense of the ability of the tnc to try to gain control because time is critical? >> the next few days in tripoli are going to be crucial because they will tell us a lot about the shape of things to come just as the shape of things in april in baghdad in 2003 told us the shape of things to come in iraq. the mayhem and looting colored the development of iraq. they should avoid a situation like that. the transitional council should send some senior people to tripoli quickly to try to establish a degree of law and order there. >> they said they were, but some of their promises have not been fulfilled such as the arrest of saif al-islam. it's chaos. >> i know this partly is lack of communication. it deflereflects the nature of rebel groups. you have people from the east, rebels from the west, local people are now armed. there's a chaotic situation as richard ably described. but they have to move quickly otherwise they will lose the momentum and the control. the later development would be affected by that rocky beginning. so they have a major challenge and i think unles

going forward, we will stay in close coordination with the tnc to support that outcome.will be huge challenges ahead, the extraordinary events in libya remind us that fear can give way to hope and that the power of people striving for freedom can bring about a brighter day. thank you very much. megyn: well, there you have it. the president on tape, although we only have the audio, that's how it was played out and delivered to us, speaking to the issue of libya for the first time at least the audiotape for the first time. the paper statement was released last night. want to get to ed henry who is live from martha's vineyard. the president saying that quaff my's regime is coming to an end, his rule is over, but this conflict is not and saying that gadhafi needs to call for his supporters to lay down arms and speaking to those supporters about what kind of transition we, the united states, expect to see there. other highlights as you heard them? >> reporter: right. that's right. a lot of critical questions. interesting, because as you say, the president was saying this regi

>> well, we all have been in contact with leaders of the tnc. you heard the chairman yesterday say that their intent, were they to capture gadhafi, is to bring him to justice through a legal process. our view is that that is an appropriate step. our aim and i think very much the tnc's aim is for a transition to get under way swiftly that is inclusive, that is just, and that fulfills the libyan people's aspirations for a democratic future. so we will -- have been working with them closely as they plan aspects of their transition, we will continue to do so and obviously, these are all choices that the libyan people will ultimately have to make for themselves. but they have been clear and we have been clear that gadhafi must be held accountable and must be brought to justice, as must his son saif and the intelligence chief who has always been indicted by the international criminal court. all three. >> which raises the question from the u.s. government's perspective, ambassador rice, would you prefer that these three individuals be tried inside liby

i know that she raised to them with the that tnc. the tnc was -- the leadership was troubled by these reports. they have issued instructions, or try to, to their military and to the rebel militias, fighting on their behalf, to respect international law. they are sensitive to wanting to appear different from the gaddafi forces. and the abuses of those forces. they have an extra political motivation for distinguishing themselves from gaddafi. they got the message. i am sure they're looking carefully to make sure does not happen. >> is that a surprise? some of them are former loyalists. they do not change their tactics, even though they might not like working for gaddafi anymore. >> it is an education process. education takes time. repetition. >> do you have any idea who might represent the country at the u.n. general assembly this year? has that been any part of that discussion? >> i'm sorry, i don't know. >> one last question. [unintelligible] are you satisfied also as a member of turkey? are the east and west on the same page? >> the

also, because it puts strains on the tnc which are an amazing. most probably the people in charge right now to not belong. >> ok. >> i think the other thing to support is get the institutional capacity -- libya needs fast infrastructure. not just because of the destruction of war. because gaddafi has deprived his country for four decades. there is infrastructure that is lacking that has to be put in place. otherwise, all the money in the world will create hyperinflation without delivering value for the money. i think that is where i think the international community, europeans -- united states and other countries can help with the technical capacity. >> i think the italians are behaving the best in this case. been promising $400 million since february, [unintelligible] is the money coming? it is not. they have sent a promise. it is and i know you. it is interesting. >> are there any other questions from the floor? one more. microphone please. thank you. >> if the panel can address the question of the libyan diaspora. what role will they play in t

. >> i think the tnc is an impressive group. what we've heard so far is encouraging.oing to get the oil up and palm -- and pumping within thirty days. look at what they've done in six months. these are people who didn't believe they had the will to fight and they went out there day after day and got killed in a country of only six million people. >> keep in mind, [ unintelligible ] rich in commodities that can alter the global economy. now you have rebels running this this is going to chain the economy going forward for years however takes control. >> we don't know who is going to take control. it could still go south the pessimism would be right. -- could be right. >> sean: here you have gadhafi loyallists, tnc with the -- they are from benghazi. >> other cities. >> sean: all right benghazi-based. those rebels, gadhafi loyalists, tribes millennium harboring. assassinations long -- there was an article win calling me muslim brotherhood obsessed when people were saying this is great, mubarak is gone. i predicted the brotherhood would take over and i think i will be pro

the chairman of this tnc is a former gadhafi justice minister.and defected and now he's claimed the title as being in charge of it. what i think we are looking at is the possibility that libya becomes a somalia with oil. with tribal warlords and of course piracy. the kinds of things we've seen in the past. there's no guarantee this going to turn up as everybody predicted what would happen in egypt. >> sean: if that constitution calling for sharia takes place if the mubarak now in line with the military, dark if the mubarak now in line with the military, takes over, north after character mideast and elsewhere things for going to get worse, especially for our ally israel? >> libya is not egypt. egypt was the linchpin of american policy in the arablh.ky the army is still in control. whether the army act knocks -- acknowledges that or not is irrelevant there is no army in libya. there is no national sense of law and order. you have nato and the united nations talking about peacekeepers put on the ground. today mr. obama said that is not going to happ

. >> you cannot judge the credibility of the tnc for the last six months by one incident.was miscommunication, misinformation. it's happening like that. the credibility of the tnc, it is proof to the people not only to the libyan but to the united states government and the international community they lead the libyan people for this fight to get rid of this gadhafi and they succeed. that is our main goal. saif, mohammad, all this is the other issue. >> you're looking for all of the sons in addition to moammar gadhafi, if you find them you'll arrest them. >> of course, of course. >> you'll treat them humanely i assume. >> this is the call from everybody not only me, but the tnc, dr. mahmoud jibril and we have to present to the world we are civilized people. >> did you see the pictures of that presidential compound and we showed our viewers, they just ran in, they did an unbelievable job ransacking that place, but coming out with files and all sorts of other stuff. almost looked like they were looting that presidential compound. >> i've been there a few times in the place bu

account rebels and the opposition now take over the tnc that they've been working with, can they pullvernment and begin to create this post-gadhafi situation? >> and it's always a tricky question in the arab world, how much involvement from the united states politically in the post-gadhafi libya. we've got to take a quick break, but jill dougherty is standing by with the rest of our reporters across libya and the world for the latest on this breaking news story out of libya. is it the end of the road for moammar gadhafi, the man in charge of libya for 42 years? we know his son is in custody. the international criminal court is going to discuss his transfer to the haig. it certainly is history unfolding before our eyes in libya. we're going to take a short breek as break as we leave you with these images of the rebel advance toward the capital. under $20 crab entrees like our crab and seafood bake... or our snow crab and crab butter shrimp. my name's jon forsythe and i sea food differently. while i took refuge from the pollen that made me sneeze. but with 24-hour zyrtec®, i get prescri

>> we've been very gratified to hear the very sound statements from the tnc's leadership, the opposition group's leadership, including from one of their ministers, jalil is his name. the kind of inclusive government going forward. the fact that they see themselves as a transitional authority, not trying to take over control of the government as gadhafi did 42 years ago, if you can imagine that. >> playing devil's advocate, gadhafi wasn't always seen as the enemy by america or the west. how confident are you guys that in the short to mid term, the stability of the region will be stabilized and not, in fact, further endangered by instability of him actually going after so long? >> i think what we've seen, his ruthless ways did not bring stability, but a great deal of instability and obviously i don't need to remind you about the fact that prior to 9/11, he was the terrorist with more blood on his hands than any other terrorist, more american blood on his hands than any other terrorist. >> final question. when osama bin laden was killed and his body was dispatched into the ocean, what is th

what would happen, actually, is they would have a transitional, not just the tnc, that would lead ton interim authority, that interim authority would then create the structures for having elections, writing a new constitution, et cetera. there is a lot of work and a lot of challenge here, especially when you get into the issues, carol, and christine, of money that will now be freed up for the tnc. huge amounts of it, 30, $34 billion coming from the united states alone, which is the money that was freed up in the united states. when you get that amount of money, how it's going to be divided up, who's going to use it, will it be done correctly, becomes a very big issue. >> very big issue, especially for taxpayers who are essentially paying the bill and we're talking about this and gadhafi still out there. >> yes. but we should make clear that is money that belongs to the libyans, that was frozen. it's their assets that were frozen. those would be freed up. we're not at that point talking about u.s. tax dollars. >> thanks for clarifying. we appreciate that. jill dougherty live from the

the death of younis in a sense really opened up a pandora's box of all kinds of conflicts that the tncil then had quietly not wanted to talk about. when we saw, for example, the press conference that was held after the death of younis, how that was handled, how the tribes were brought in, all of that, to me, hints at the fact that there is is a lot moore cleavages and breaking points than the tnc is leting on right now. not only concerning the death of younis and who killed younis exactly but also, for example, the young people who are actually fighting in the field versus those that are in benghazi. libyans that are actually within the eastern part of libya versus those that are coming in from the outside. it lackists versus secularists. and that are emerging now as well. so i think there are a number of breaking points that undoubtedly the way i look at it will probably become more severe as this government faces what will be the biggest challenge of all and that is first of all bringing tripoli into the country again so to speak. >> warner: thank you. let me get back to brian connel

now the tnc or ntc has a plan for governing. finance committee, foreign committee.ll be able to transition to something -- >> that's their name the national transitional council. by the way, the money, frozen assets of libyan companies and the country may now go to those rebels. want to bring in to the conversation our national security correspondent jennifer griffin with what can you tell us? what are you learning from your sources? >> reporter: what we are hearing now secretary general of nato has just issued a statement saying the gadhafi regime is clearly crumbling. and the sooner gadhafi realizes he cannot win the better. this is from the secretary general of nato. we are seeing a lot of reports from the frontlines. alex crawford traveling with sky news is reporting they got as close -- he is travelinging with the rebels, they got as close to green square and got pushed back because there was gunfire at the square. she reports seeing women holding babies, cheering people, shouting freedom, as they entered the city just a few minutes ago we were seeing reports t

. >> we want to give this money back to the tnc for its use, first and foremost, to meet humanitarian needs and to help it establish a secure, stable government and to move on to the next step in its own roadmap. >> the announcement came after u.s. president barack obama spoke by telephone with french president nicolas sarkozy. they agreed to work with the international community to support a peaceful transition to democracy in libya. >>> let's turn now to nhk world in benghazi where the transitional national council is based. >> reporter: the national council is working hard to find out where gadhafi is hiding. it believes it is unlikely libya's top leader has fled the country. but it seems to have conflicting information on his whereabouts. an opposition spokesperson says he may not be in tripoli and could be hiding in central or southern lya ci citizens are closely watching the hunt for the man who ruled the country for more than four decades. >> translator: i'll be happy when gadhafi is captured. >> translator: i'm afraid because gadhafi is still free. >> reporter: forces loyal to

there will be factions that will operate outside the tnc and they must take the law into their hands. this is very important. >> they are actually very disparate groups. this is not one homogenous group of people. >> absolutely. and maybe this is good. it is good that we do not have one person controlling everything. we're not want to see the same, one person role, or one party rule. these people come from different backgrounds. there are rebel groups, is thomas, a secular. i think it is a good -- rebel groups, islamists, secular. it is a good thing. >> the capital still faces a few on certain days. here are some of tripoli's residents with their own story of the past 44 hours. ♪ -- the past 24 hours. ♪ >> the freedom fighters are starting their attacks. by evening, we were in tripoli, in green square. it is a beautiful moment. it is a beautiful day for us. of this beautiful day, we are free. ♪ >> the rebels are prepared. they know what they are doing. they are safe. they are not looking to hurt civilians. of the gaddafi's forces are what to be afraid of. ♪ >> the local residents of a

day, but have a maketake the tnc and it more inclusive. the western leaders are opposed to what happened in benghazi because they did not get enough assistance. caller: my name is marie. this is the first time i've been a able to-- hello? host: go ahead. caller: i think this is out of line. i think that is so heartbreaking to see the united states constantly innovating other people's countries to get their resources and holding up their presidents. america and europe are actually the real monsters because libya has no way of defending itself against you. the united states, england, and france. itors.are nothing but trader you are willing to pay them who knows how much money? host: she thinks this is a u.s. invasion. u.s. your perspective -- give us your perspective. guest: after gaddafi surrendered its nuclear stockpile, other countries made their way to tripoli and we are reestablished relations. gaddafi was on the rehabilitation list until the former lockerbie bomber was repatriated from scullin under the pretext that he had prostate can

there was tremendous tumult already within the tnc.mander of the rebel forces was shot and killed. clearly, there is a lot of tension. but this is tremendous victory for the countries that called for gadhafi to be removed. this is -- if i were president obama, i would be very happy. >> i'm anxious because i've seen what has happened in iraq and afghanistan. what is our role going forward? are we sucked into another endless war? >> nixon never wanted to move against the shah because he said we don't know what could be worse than the shah. of course history proved nixon correct. dominic di-natale back to you there on the border. you have been listening to our conversation and you wanted to add something? dominic, can you hear us? you wanted to add something to the conversation, can you hear me? >> reporter: yes, i wanted to pick up on what k. mcfarland was saying. i was speaking to the rebel leader today saying there was 800 government workers, head of departments in ministries and other parts of the institution that were ready to defect

situation in libya and in close communication with the >> the state department continuing that the tnc is planning brought out were reached and they are planning for a post-gaddafi libya. his days are numbered. we will continue to keep you updated on the situation in libya on the c-span networks. >> arne duncan is the u.s. secretary of education and he returns to "newsmakers" this week as millions of americans return to the classroom. thank you for being with us. allyson klein is the "education week" staff writer. greg campeau is the national k- 12 education writer for usa today. allyson, let's start with you. >> you said that you are going to offer states exemptions from the no child left behind in exchange for certain conditions. you of not said what they are. >> we believe that the law in its current form is broken. it is way too punitive, lots of ways to fail, and no rewards for success. it is very punitive, very top down from washington and it has led to a dumbing down of standards. the law of the land has some money has so many disincentives and that does not make sense to me. wh

the tnc is doing something very smart hopefully. group, a bit of quiet lawyerly types. it will be interesting to see if they can strongarm what will be aggressive interests from the various tribal concerns. >> yes. >> they are aware of because of the iraq experience, they're fully aware of the importance of securing very quickly just the basic things, the power and electricity supplies, getting oil back into the city, providing some measure of security. right after you know we went into baghdad that was one of the biggest concerns was our inability to just do something simple like keep the lights on at night. >> yes. >> and that can have an immeasurable effect on overall security. >> chris i direct my next question to you. mike brings up baghdad and we can't forget the gadhafi loyalists who vehemently said they will live and die for their leader. i don't know, i'm not there, i don't know if there are loyalists right now on the ground in the hundreds or in the thousands but might this be like baghdad where the supporters, they kind o

others see the tnc more as a negotiating party. our reporter is in cairo egypt right now.el began by asking him whether the speed of the rebel's advance was surprising. >> very surprised. because first of all we have been told by many sources that there were widespread expectations of a blood path when the opposition fighters finally got to tripoli. >> the speed at which the rebels got tripoli was far faster than we expected as well. really, the critical thing is when they took the town. basically the capital was cut off from the rest of the world and it was really a matter of time before things started to fall apart in the dam. >> the speed they moved off of the mountains and hit the coast, not to dilute what is going on. there has been severe fighting and many casualties up against what is meant to be a trained army. you surprised at just how quickly that army melted away? >> i think that there was a certain amount of momentum with the opposition fighters. they were convinced of the justice of their cause and it was rough going. at certain points i remember the area in e

we do have the running the country country and we are confident that the tnc, they proved to the peopleey know what they are doing. they have a plan after gadhafi's collapse. this man has worked very well. and for the -- maybe the challenge now we are facing that how we keep the city is clean and we keep it from -- >> david ignatius has a question for you. >> it's nice to hear your happiness of these events. my question is on this day and the days that follow, who will control the libyan army? how will that command and control structure work? will the army report to the interim body? what have you been told about that? >> well, we have the minister of defense but the minister of defense, of course, the act and the instruction of the tnc. and in every city of libya now, we have a council composed of some of the local people that have been taking care of the cities and organizing themselves to move in the right time. i'm not very well -- i'm not very -- i'm not worried at all about the tribal conflict. you will not see this happening in libya at all. this is not an issue for yus. the issu

going forward we will stay in close coordination with the tnc to support that outcome. the extraordinary events in libya remind us that fear can give way to hope and the power of people striving for freedom can bring about a brighter day. thank you very much. defense now on today's -- events in liby. from the u.n. headquarters in new york, this is 10 minutes. >> good morning, ladies and gentleman. it is a great pleasure to see you again. the dramatic scene we are witnessing in libya, in tripoli, are a testament to the courage and determination of the libyan people to save a free and democratic future. i welcome the assurances given by the chairman of the national transitional council, that extreme care would be taken to protect people and public institutions and to maintain law and order. forces to gaddafi's cease violence and make way for a smooth transition. i have been in touch with the chair person of the african yen, the secretary general of the league of arab states, and world leaders.r later today, i will contact the president of the security council and members

you could get the tnc to agree to some measures for accountability and transparency. my reading them is that they are the kind of people who would be amenable to this. >> yes, i agree with him. i it is important that some way is designed that this money is given to the libyans with a clear budget and a lot of transparency. whether it is going to be a commission that decides where the money goes -- it should not simply be given, also because it would put strains on the tnc. many people did not want all that money right now because it would put pressure on them which would be disrupting. >> the important thing, in addition, is to get the institutional capacity to absorb. libya certainly needs that infrastructure, not just because of the structure of the war, because gaddafi is deprived the country for four decades. there is a technical expertise that has to be put in place. otherwise all the money in the world will only cause a hyper inflation of the cost services without delivering value for the money. that has to be put in place. that is where i think the internationa

over 40 nations now recognize the tnc as the government of the people. i think it's safe to say that at this point libya is now the site of both the violent and remarkable turn of events in the ongoing arab spring. last april "the wall street journal" read "rag tag rebels struggle in battle." "rolling stone" deemed them libya's amateur army. here is richard engel embedded with the rebels five months ago. >> outgunned, rebels say they are killed whenever they approach gadhafi's forces. we have light weapons, they have tanks. another rebel showed me he isn't actually armed at all. it's amazing, he handed me his gun, i didn't realize it was made of plastic, it's a toy. >> that's crazy tape. what a difference revolutionary determination on the ground western intelligence agents and 20,000 natos make. we had a sign the control over libya is gone. the loyalist troops who for five days held western journalists captive let those journalists go today. red cross workers transported them to a rebel-held hotel where they reunited with colleagues. joining me now, mis

not turn over a libyan citizen to the west, so this doesn't say much for the tnc's relationship with the rest of the world in terms of how it might have changed with regard to this issue to be sure. >> right. well so much for gratitude. i understand this morning the transitional government has issued a retraction to that, understandably. they are still a little confused. so i think we ought to give them a chance to make a decision to hand megrahi over. i think this is entirely consistent with justice. he killed 270 innocent people in cold blood, he served an average of two weeks per murder in that scottish jail, just over ten years, before he was released, two weeks of murder is not an -- a murder is not an adequate sentence. i think we deserve another shoal him martha: a lot people, the families of those killed say the health -- sorry to say it, but his health is really irrelevant in this case. if he dies in prison, so be it. a lot of people die in prison. >> yeah, look, compassion is entirely misplaced here. think of those 259 passengers and crew on pan am103, paulg through the col

rich and tim who run tnc. a lot of fun running and gunning.for being such a great role model and don nelson, nelly, who else would encourage me to shoot three-point shots. those are my favorite pro years. >> and he didn't really start out as a freak show. but before his nba career was over, rodman was known as much for his dyed hair as he was for his five championship rings but he was a hard working rebounding machine and yesterday the emotional dennis rodman became one of the ten new basketball hall of famers. >> i didn't play the game for the money. i didn't play the game to be famous i have one regret. i wish i was a better father. . [ applause ]. . >> well, meanwhile kyle busch set a course record and claimed the pole position tore tomorrow's sprint cup race. allmendinger is second in that race. road time at watkins glen in nationwide serious race. jimmy johnson, i know you guys are in a hurry, but gas and go is an issue as leftler drags his gas man on the pavement. they had white checkered flag to restart. and curt busch gets a great job

streets are pretty deserted, not much traffic on the roads or people on the roads, so there are a lot of tncpoints, we've been through at least three or four of them in the past five or ten minutes since we left the hotel, so it seems in this area of tripoli at least, you know, the -- certainly in control of the rebels. a lot of people are saying victory to us, there are some burned-out cars i can see by the sides of the roads. some barricades that have been built up around the area. there have been rebel colors painted on lamp posts in the center of traffic round about. the whole place is littered with a lot of refuse, but again, we're going to another checkpoint now, heavily-armed rebels checking the cars. this icrc car we're in now and waving us through. >> matthew, it's kyra again, question to you is how it was reporting as i was reporting, rebels saying that they were gaining more and more of tripoli -- oh, we lost him. matthew, did we lose the connection? okay, we did. this is pretty remarkable, you and i both, just looking at the last pictures we got from our matthew chance and the mo

they're in close contact with the tnc, the opposition forces in libya. they say they're encouraged because they see a lot of coordination between forces in the east and west. they also say that they are estimating anywhere from 80 to 95% of tripoli has been occupied at this point by opposition forces. as of today right now in martha's vineyard, we don't know what the president has planned. white house officials make the point that he's staying on top of this situation, making phone calls. he came out yesterday and spoke and described the situation as quite fluid. what was interesting about his comments, chris, he talked about the fact that the people of libya are getting closer to what they've been fighting for. you didn't hear a whole lot of specifics about what exactly is happening on the ground. the president is being very careful not to get out in front of what's actually happening in libya because they want to make sure everything is confirmed before he speaks about it. >> one quick follow up. it seems to me the message we're getting from the presid