and but if the tnc decides to do it in house, then there is really no control over who within the tnc is conducting that inspection. and the cpuc's decision does require that the inspection records be maintained in the event that the cpuc conducts post audits of compliance with that particular requirement. and discrimination was another big subject during the cpuc's hearings because the tnc drivers are freely allowed to pick up who they want. and the drivers can rate the passengers but the pcup says that they are not allowed to discriminate either to deny service or base it on origin of religion, sex, or sexual orientation and age and, identity. i think that is a noble sentiment, but i don't know how that is going to be enforced it is a very subjective thing and so, that is a difficult point, i think. and the tncs are required to report this in september again i think this is 2014, how many rides were requested and how many rides were not accepted by the zip codes and so that will be the performance measure at the end of the year to see how many rides were requested by zip code and in

and but if the tnc decides to do it in house, then there is really no control over who within the tnc is conducting

and but if the tnc decides to do it in house, then there is really no control over who within the tnc is conducting that inspection. and the cpuc's decision does require that the inspection records be maintained in the event that the cpuc conducts post audits of compliance with that particular requirement. and discrimination was another big subject during the cpuc's hearings because the tnc drivers are freely allowed to pick up who they want. and the drivers can rate the passengers but the pcup says that they are not allowed to discriminate either to deny service or base it on origin of religion, sex, or sexual orientation and age and, identity. i think that is a noble sentiment, but i don't know how that is

the average and mean number of hours, driven by each tnc driver, so i guess, at the end of the year, we will start to see some actual documentation or at least self-reported documentation, and how many drivers and vehicles we have. >> is there any regulation on how many drivers can work for, you know? can they work for, you know a very extended period of time? according to the cpc decision, no regulation of hours driven and i believe that it will come under the state law, and they are prohibited from driving more than ten hours at a time more than a certain period of rest. there is nothing that says more than 60 hours each. >> and could you take a break in there. >> under the state law? >> under the existing. >> not only, nothing that addresses the driving hours in the cpc decision and also there is absolutely no way to monitor that. >> okay. >> thank you >> can you tell us how they are regulated verses how the taxi drivers are regulated. >> before you become a taxi driver you have to get a criminal background check, which as i mentioned covers your entire adult life and as well as a

and the tncs are required to report this in september again i think this is 2014, how many rides were requested and how many rides were not accepted by the zip codes and so that will be the performance measure at the end of the year to see how many rides were requested by zip code and in that zip code, how many of those rides were not actually provided? so, there is a number of reports that are due to the cpuc. and the difficulty from my perspective about this reporting requirement is that it really amounts to self-regulation because if i just asked the taxi industry to send me a report, when they violate something, then, i don't think that i would be very effective. but, the reports that are required, are the number of drivers down to the committed violations or who have been suspended and the zero tolerance and the out comes of investigation, and each accident or other incident which is not defined and that involves the tnc driver and was reported to the tnc and the cause and the amount paid to any party in each incident and the date and time and the amount paid by the driver's insu

is that the tnc is supposed to be using a personal vehicle and i underline it on this slide because it becomes important later and i will get to that part a little later. and the cpuc decision also recognized that this was not ride sharing or car pooling. so that is why we encourage everybody to stop using the word ride sharing because it did not and never did describe the services that are providing by these companies, the cpc also recognized that what the companies are characterizing as a voluntary donation was in fact a commercial fare for hire. so some of the issues that have been a very prominent part of the debate nationally is insurance, and that is one of the more important elements of regulation to make sure that there is appropriate insurance in place. so, this cpuc's decision requires the tncs to maintain a commercial liability policies and providing not less than a million dollars, for incidents involving the vehicles and drivers while they are providing tnc services and i think that many people are aware that that last phrase saying that the insurance would apply while

are tnc commercial vehicles are taking up all of that parking? they are the taxi hub. >> thank you so much. next speaker? >> my name is tony from flywheel and as was mentioned in this hearing, it is deployed in over 1400 cars in san francisco and it has always been our vision to modernize and approve the service of existing regulated safe taxis in the city and thes working we are proud to be working with all of the best fleets in the city in the month of january, the service time is just over four minutes and ten seconds. you may have seen recently there was a comparison on the flywheel and we beat them by two or three times and so our vision is working and our rider participation is growing over day and the numbers will can't to improve as the fleets participate. thank you. >> good afternoon, supervisors, this is in the public interest, my name is david snyder for informational purposes only, i am a co-founder of united taxi cab workers but also been a jack of a number of trades photographer, lawyer and newspaper reporter and all of that kind of

>> can you tell me about the fees that are required for the taxi drivers verses the tnc and are there, besides the fees, are there taxes that are paid, can you talk a little bit about that? >> well, taxi drivers all pay business tax to the city, and tnc drivers who are doing exactly the same activity, >> in addition, new drivers pay an application fee or they pay for the criminal background check and they pay renewal fees and the people who operate, the taxi medallions have paid a quarter of a million and this fiscal year alone that is 30 million of the new revenue, to the sfmta and the holders pay a stiff fee that i believe is about 1500 dollars a year. >> and i would have to say that the largest burden to the taxi industry, is the cost of insurance. and we require, that all taxi drivers be covered by the worker's compensation insurance and that is incredibly expensive but everybody has it in place, and the lack of level playing field between the tncs and the taxi industry. >> if we are talking about that, we will talk about the tens of million of dollars, from the taxi industry to t

data and ignoring the smart phone itself is a data indication that not everybody can be served by tncs that their vehicles are not all, and that some of them are not equipped, and also an indication that they are neglect cpuc and don't talk about the companies, and go to the source of the lack of jurisdiction and the lack of enforcement, and the cpuc and that is the target. >> thank you. >> next speaker? >> they are waiting for more information and they are letting something run amuck and then they want information. and they should get the information first and also, briefly i would like to address the economic issue to the city, and you have the med dallons and you are taking a percentage of and 85 from the cab and the business licenses that is going to be a loss to the city and this is also just a start of the so-called new apps and business, and you have the same situation, and we are paying factions and running amuck on you without paying taxes, and if it is not stopped here and it is going to continue going on. >> next speaker. >> my name is ron walter and i am a driver with the s

last thing that i want is for you to be defensive because we want to work with you to strengthen the tnc policy to make our streets safer, but i guess that your tone is very defensive and i don't want it to be because i know that there are a lot of stake holders here that want to strengthen the policies. and i guess that i will just say that part of the goals of the hearing is to follow up with more data, you are going to hear a number of people talk about the discrimination that is out there because of the tnc and specific example sos my hope is that you take this information and work with the different stake holders disabled community groups and others, to really help you have that data that you need to strength it at the state level, and we will also do our best to come up with data on the economic impacts and other information as we move forward with the strongest policies. >> and i would appreciate that and thank you. for that, and we, i think as part of when the puc opens phase two, everything that has, and everything that we consider has to be part that have record. and so a party

please don't get it confused we are not blind, you are not blind, and tnc drivers do not have this. this is what a taxi driver has to have on top of everything else, experience and skills. don't get it confused. the industry is dying, and it is gapsing for its last breath and be regulating an unregulated business, if you regulate us, regulate them exactly the same, no difference. thank you. >> thank you supervisor, mar for having this meeting, we appreciate it very much. >> i am a medallion holder in san francisco and i have been driving a cab for 24 years. and i am going tell you something now that the taxi industry that the companies will go out of business within a year if you don't stop these people. they are driving around with no... and i seen them living before me with no expenses whatsoever and we have huge expenses. and i am making less than half the money i used to make and now there are 4,000 uber type of cars on the streets and only 2 though taxis so look at the difference, they are making the money and we are not. taxi drivers are quitting in droves to drive for uber, a

about the discrimination that is out there because of the tnc and specific example sos my hope is that you take this information and work with the different stake holders disabled community groups and others, to really help you have that data that you need to strength it at the state level, and we will also do our best to come up with data on the economic impacts and other information as we move forward with the strongest policies. >> and i would appreciate that and thank you. for that, and we, i think as part of when the puc opens phase two, everything that has, and everything that we consider has to be part that have record. and so a party has to introduce that into our record. and it would be great to get that information give that information to me, but unless it is part of our record, the judge and the commissioners can't base their decision on that. >> we will make sure that is part of the record. >> i appreciate you can here and listening to the communities in san francisco. >> >> i appreciate the approach to all of this, but one thing that i am nervous about is the self-regulat

getting the correct information, is there any plans for the puc to actually do the audits on these tncs. >> we are going to be doing audit and will do investigation and we will do audits and as part of our decision, the tncs have to comply with all of our requests for information and the audits that we conduct, but i agree that if we don't do the audits, it becomes a completely self-regulated industry and so we do have to do the audits to insure that the rules are put into place are being followed. >> thank you. >> thank you so much for being here. and let me just say that first of all that we have about 40 cards but i wanted to first ask if chris dolan who is the attorney for the lou family could come up and speak first and then i will be asking janice who is a leader in the disabled community to also come up but mr. chair could we open the public comment at this point and i am going to be letting these two speakers come up and there is also steven from the sffederal credit union as well. we are going to be asking people through the chair to limit their comments to one minute, per pers

the san francisco cab driver association and we are the ones collecting the license plate data on the tnc vehicles but i would like to let you guys know that as a dispatcher i can say that with the solid authority of the 30 odd accessible vehicles in the fleet only about 4 to 6 are going on per shift. that is horrendous, that is, very shameful. we have collected over 4,000 plates, over the last six months, and major insurance companies are actually accessing our data to research insurance fraud. start investigating and prosecuting it. and some of the tnc drivers like the guy earlier was saying that you know, we are seeing these guys with multiple phones on the window, we are talking four phones on the window, isn't textsing and driving illegal? do we really need thousands of largely unmarked questionablely insured vehicles on our streets with the drivers focused on their phones and not the road in front of them. >> thank you for the data gathering as well. >> no problem, i have 2,000 pictures as well. >> great. >> next speaker? >> hello. my name is jacob davis and i guess that i am just a

also known as ride share companies or, quote-unquote, transportation network companies or tncs. at the hearing, chair campos, supervisor yee, supervisor avalos and i learned that the convenience that so many san franciscans are enjoying with these types of vehicles is coming at a price to the public safety and the city's economy. with up to 4,000 additional private vehicles, cars driving people in uber and vehicleseses throughout the city without proper insurance, drivers, passengerseses and pedestrians alike face significant ~ safety risks. and when medical costs aren't covered by insurance, it strains local public health system to make up the difference. this new unregulated industry or as some of us call it a wild west of additional cars on our city streets, it pose he many challenges and the issues are extremely complex based on state policy and local policy as well ~. i believe we don't need to trade convenience for safety and we could achieve both. but i think we must study the costs and the impacts of these so-called tncs and figure how they best fit in within our existin

at how we as a city address the economics of this new industry, and i am not even going to call it tncs as many suggested, and start to look to a more appropriate term of a new private sector that is unregulated currently, and as others said really is a potential threat to the safety on the streets, and lastly, as i stated at the beginning of this hearing, we locally, in san francisco, we have a responsibility to avoid the preventable tragedies like the death of sophie lou and i look forward to working with all of you as we move forward not only with the vision zero but also the stated goals of protecting our public and the safety of our residents. colleagues are there any other comments? >> supervisor yee? >> so, supervisor mar, thank you, for bringing this here and in front of this committee, and i am in not, new any more, but relatively new but the supervisors that this is the first time that i have been in the hearing to listen to the concerns and so forth, and so that was very educational process for myself. the presentation, it looks like there are suggestions in there that would

happened by the time he got off the stage at the tnc. -- it makes it harder to be deliberative and strategic in an environment where you are -- if you use a sports metaphor, used to be you would read the story about the baseball game that night or the next day. now the political equivalent the we are not just writing the story about it every penny. we are writing every pitch. everything has to be, there's like an element comment either hyperbole or apocalyptic description of it in every moment. like this is the greatest foreign policy crisis the president has ever had. >> but wait. that's true spend it maybe, it may not be. we don't know this point. "huffington post," there is a long line of them in som and sof them were very greatness and some of them went away pretty quickly. >> every speech -- >> yes. >> how do you guard against the haste? >> the event we have, the president is very delivered person. so -- >> to see slow you down? >> easels all of us don't, myself included. before we act, before we go out and do something, and this is

they've limited the number of these new what they're calling tncs. but these are not taxis.ect with one another through a smartphone to give one another rides. definitely do not consider these to be taxis though that's kind of the way the taxi companies would like to see this because they like to see competition controlled. they don't want to see expansion. >> i'm not familiar with sidecar but i have used uber a ton here in new york city. what i'm doing is not necessarily bor reing a ride from jon fortt here. i'm paying someone actually little bit more than a taxi to take me from place "a" to place "b." >> sidecar and even some of the other services that you mentioned like uber, they're very different than uber experience in new york. these are everyday people in their own cars and you're connecting with them through the ride-sharing app. it is not a taxi. it's typically cheaper than a ta taxi. and the only way you interact with them is through a smartphone. >> some of the criticism that you guys got at this meeting is interesting. someone saying you're doing so many things