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be held. according to polls, the five star movement won't win an all- out majority. but they're confident that the polls are wrong-- just as they were for another political iconoclast:ald trump. >> he made his campaign with the full establishment system against him. and everybody was really against him. we are facing the same thing in italy. and we will succeed like they did, but as i said, we will really do what we are promising now. >> reporter: for the pbs newshour, i'm christopher livesay, in rome. >> woodruff: and to the analysis of shields and ponnuru. that's syndicated columnist mark shields and ramesh ponnuru of "the national review." david brooks is away. welcome to both of you. let's start out, mark, by talking about this back and forth every day there's a new piece of information about it did between what donald trump is saying about whether the russians were involved in this hacking of the democratic national convention and what the c.i.a. and now the f.b.i., president obama weighed in today on this, what are we to make of all this? >> i think what we're to make of it is, to me what's fascinating is not what donald trump is in no particular position to k