here they are, bulls and bears this week, gary b smith, tobin smith. jonas max ferris and the economic policy for welcome to everybody. toby, wall street itself is more anti-capitalism than the occupy wall street protesters? >> well, of course it is. the business model of wall street has grown into a bailout. it's grown into, they call it the green, if things got bad the fed or the government was going to be there to back them up and then as we moved this business, after the financial crisis, we went from having sort of ten banks having the money to six banks having the money and the concept behind that was it all six, hit the fans the same time then the government would be there. that's the business model and anti-capital lists. >> well, gary b. what wrong with wall street wants returns anyway it can get them? >> the problem with that is, think about '08 when they made a lot of money and it was terrific and free market and when they lost the money, it's wa, wa, please help me out and save us. they're anti-capitalists whatever you want to call it. the

hi, i'm brenda buttner, it's bulls and bears, gary b smith, tobin smith. jonas max ferris, todd shownberger and ivan fitch. gary b, will bashing the job creators only make unemployment worse? >> i believe it is, brenda. you know, the whole occupy wall street when they are throwing their barbs and protesting, they're protesting when you get down to it, everyone one of us and the job creating machines. i took a look at top 50 companies, they're like wal-mart, safeway, target, general motors, disney, i mean, are these really evil companies? and even, brenda, if you say that they're really talking about the banks, you look at some of the banks and they're wells fargo, citi, jp morgan chase, these banks alone employ a million people. there's always this notion, there's all of these corporate fat cats, i can guarantee you at citibank, most of the people that work there, 2, 300,000 are tellers, they're security guards, they're back office people. and finally, brenda, when they denigrate corporate, this evil corporate america, let's remember that the vast majority

the bulls and bears this week, gary b smith, tobin smith, jonas max ferris along with penn financial group matt mccall and former advisor to dick gephardt, steve murphy. welcome to everybody. will these executive orders, the white house is whipping out. whip up the jobs? max? >> well, we've had since obama's become president, 20 plans passed aimed at getting economic activity moving here in our country and so far those not happened. so i do not think having five more this week and start ago website for businesses is something has me hiring people and anybody else out there hiring, a lot of unknowns out there right now. we don't know which plan or initiative is going to come next and how it's going to help us, so that leaves companies that could potentially being hiring to sit on their hands and wait for the unknown to go away. at the same time as a consumer, the unknowns are keeping me from spending. we had whirlpool layoff 5,000 people and when it's unknowns, people are not buying, people are laid off and it's not good for the economy. >> well, steve, you like these orders? >> yeah,

the bulls and bears this week, tobin smith, jonas max ferris, todd schaumburger, from the black bay group along with accent asset management, scott martin and susan ott, a former senior advisor at the treasury department. welcome, everybody. scott, the private sector is fine and we need more government jobs? >> brenda, nor case of hey, guys, the government knows best. the government says we create the best jobs, not the private sector. all right, yeah, right, toby. you know, the recovery began in 2009 and the private sector, lost over a million jobs. the government's created about 100,000, yet, unemployment at 9.1%. gdp is struggling at just over 1%. we're doing great. >> okay. susan. well, unemployment has fallen in about half of the states. >> you know, i don't agree with senator reid's characterization that the private sector is fine, but i think the point he tried to make you look at the past year the private sector an adding jobs albeit anemically, they're added jobs and the public sector lost 300,000 over the past year and these are not the big sitting on the public dole jobs. firef