host: toby harnden, the untold story of the cia mission to avenge 9/11. before we take calls, your reaction to the taliban gaining control. guest: absolutely tragic. eerie echoes of the period before 9/11. the only sliver of territory that was free, that was occupied by the afghan resistance. after the fall of the governments, they were holding out geographically. difficult to conquer. after 9/11, american support, american airpower. probably a journey that could not be taken out. this time, they were left on their own and the americans had left. really sad. the flame of resistance burned for a week or two, but it looks like for now, it has been extinguished. host: the taliban at the time of the events of the book, how have they changed from what we know now? guest: it remains to be seen, doesn't it? the taliban that ruled afghanistan in 2001, savage brutality. women shot dead in soccer stadiums if they had been killed -- accused of adultery. women having to cover themselves from head to toe, not allowed to work. ethnic massacres in the north. really, thi