let's discuss it all with the labour mp for chesterfield, toby perkins. ks for joining us. people will be worried today. worried that energy prices have shown no sign of going down, up, up, up in the last three assessments. i mean, it's not going well. >> no it's not. i think miliband is absolutely right to say we will constantly be in the. hands of. >> the international. >> the international. >> markets until. >> markets until. >> we're. >> we're. >> more energy independent. and that's why the approach that he's taking of massively looking to increase the amount of renewable energy is, is absolutely the right one. because, you know, we will see increases. we will hopefully in other occasions see decreases. but what we won't see is any kind of control over it. and ultimately we need to get energy independent. and that's the. >> sort of toby, sorry to jump in here. i think you make a very. ed miliband makes a very good point about nuclear power. it's stable and consistent. we know what we're going to pay for it. that's all grand. but he's talking about the