. >> you know, gary, i will let toby smith stick up for you. i know calling you europeans is it a fighting word. >> i have called him irish. and what are it is issues with europe. they had a financial crash because they completely overpent and put up a system they couldn't afford and we are on that same trajectory the negative spending is making people come to terrible conclusions. we'll have terrible inflation and someone will have to pay for this. and the job creators are the ones that are holding back and that is what is holding us back. and they think we are out of whack here. we'll get back to the stimulus issue. and jon as, you think that right now we are swimming in stim tim already. it is kind of in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? >> that's right. we did have stimulus. more than any other country. we are not in a recession which is great. but you don't need to start a stim tim program. we are not in a recession. now why can bicker about how it was spent. and could be more job creator. we are doing better and they had a big stim tim p

smith. jonas max ferris and christian dorsey, welcome to everybody. okay, toby, hike everyone's taxes to solve this debt crisis? >> well, as great britain came up and decided to tell the truth that no one else is willing to say and we've been saying on the show for years, you can only kick the can so far and by the way, if 50% of them taxes and 20% of people pay all the taxes, somebody's got to kick in more. now, we keep think it's the 1%, but we know if you took all of the income of the 1%, and taxed it 100%, we'd still be 5 trillion dollars in a deficit. so, guess what, everybody's got the pain coming and that's what i've been saying for a long time. >> brenda: finally, you get to use that one, waiting for years. gary b, i don't think he's your brother anymore, toby? >> no, there is absolutely no relation, whatsoever at this point, look, that's the slipperiest of slippery roads. basically, toby is saying and people that want to raise taxes, period, are saying, big government is good. >> i don't want to say i want to raise them, they're made. >> i think we ough