todd dorman: yeah. we have a fami linn-mar. we have a middle school student and a high school student, and at linn-mar middle school students are allowed to go $15 over their account, so they do get some leeway. high school students aren't. what happened at the end of september is my wife had budgeted for the month. the middle schooler had gone over budget. she had gotten an email notice saying that the account was negative. on. she's a working mother. she's got lots of things to do. i should probably help out more. it was one of the things that just fell by the wayside. she didn't re- charge the account, so on the following monday when my daughter went to get lunch, she went with her tray of lunch, she went to pay for it. it was a negative balance, and at linn-mar what happens then is the student is told they can't have lunch. their lunch is dumped, so that was sort of vaguely aware of the policy, but i wasn't ... we weren't aware that the lunch was just summarily dumped, which i wrote a colum basicall

to my left is todd dorman, a columnist at the gazette. thanks for being on todd. lyle muller, the executive director at iowa center for public affairs journalis lyle: glad to be here. sam: at the end, peter jauhiainen, a professor of region at kirkwood community college on the cedar rapids campus. peter, thanks for being on. todd, maybe we can start with you. what has caused the rise of the political outsiders in this election? have the democrats and the republicans failed to respond to a significant portion of our citizenry? todd: the voters i talk to,

to my left is todd dorman, a columnist at the gazette. thanks for being on todd. lyle muller, the executive director at iowa center for public affairs journalis lyle: glad to be here. sam: at the end, peter jauhiainen, a professor of region at kirkwood community college on the cedar rapids campus. peter, thanks for being on. todd, maybe we can start with you. what has caused the rise of the political outsiders in this election? have the democrats and the republicans failed to respond to a significant portion of our citizenry? todd: the voters i talk to, among democrats and republicans that there's a lot of anxiety about a lot of issues, especially economic issues. i think bernie sanders in the democratic side tapped into this idea that there's this rigged economic system that is controlled by as you mentioned the elites and it runs against the hopes and aspirations of working people. donald trump has also tapped into a little bit of that assa of working people and people who have been forgotten. the silent majority, to go back and pull a phrase from richard nixon'

gazette talking as the returns came in, having our group, that would have been myself and columnist todd dorman and political reporter james lynch, when they called florida for trump, i think we knew at that point that this was not going to go how the polls had told us it was going to happen. i'm also very taken with this whole idea of the end results, to a certain extent, really matched what we were seeing on social media more than real life polls. in the past we've talked about pollsters that only do landlines and don't do cell phones. i wonder if pronounced when you look at the advertising that went into social media, the decline of advertising and traditional venues. so i think we had a much different type of election, and i don't think it's going to be the last one in that respect. hans hassell: the pollsters are continually trying to update how they weight these things on the phone have declined drastically. in '90s, '70s and '80s, it was a 30 or 40% response rate. i think pew recently showed that it was under 10%, about 8% response rate. in order to figure out ... to get an accurate repr