woman who had her one year old child in the car well discuss this more i was joined earlier by todd jasper the associate director of homeland security and emergency management at m.s.a. inc and i asked him if law enforcement are trained to react differently given the locations of yesterday's car chase and if that's alternately what resulted in the use of lethal force it's a great question so unlike normal law enforcement which is you know writing tickets pulling people over making arrests that i think one foresman around secure areas like the white house the capitol is focused primarily on access control right they want to keep the people in that are supposed to be there they want to keep the people out there are not supposed to be there so law enforcement throughout the united states have a very high standard for using deadly force and we saw that yesterday she hit several people several police officers before they actually ended up using a weapon so it's a different type of law enforcement but the same standard is there for lethal force and it's very high how much of the fact that she wa

todd jasper, associate director, homeland security emergency management at m.s.a. inc. now on to the 800,000 federal workers still furloughed as the government shutdown persists into day four. with the economy leaking $300 million a day, cancer stricken americans denied access to treatment and impoverished families seeing food benefit lifelines dry up, republicans in congress are not backing down from demands to get something in return for any deal to reopen the government and raise the debt limit, even if it's not concessions on obama care and it's a stance they're taking in private, too. earlier this week, an open mic picked up this exchange between republican saunders mitch mcconnell and rand paul. >> do you have a second? >> i'm all wired up here. >> i'm doing cnn, going over and over again, we're willing to compromise, we're willing to negotiate. i think it's awful for them to say that over and over again. >> i do, too. i just came back from a two-hour meeting with him and that was basically the same view, privately, as it was publicly. >> if we keep saying, we wan