joining us from oklahoma, todd ned lton, of the group voice of the martyrs. we just heard this clip from the anglican cannon white says his people are happy. in your experience with persecuted christians, is that unusual? >> no. that is actually the norm. our founder, pastor richard wormbrand talked about finding joyful christians in prison and underground church. when he came to the west, he was startled by the lack of joy in the church in the west. >> how can we find believers whether it is middle east, north korea, parts of africa, what can we learn from those that suffer from their faith? >> one of the things i think we learn is how to value our faith. many of us here in the united states have never had to pay a price for following jesus christ. so we value it as something we have never had to pay anything for. when you go into a restricted or hostile nation where people are put in prison or beaten or lay down their lives to follow jesus christ, they play such a high value on it. i think that is one of the things we can learn from them, this is amazing li