bill mcgurn from the "wall street journal" and todd starnes from fox news radio.ou wrote a great piece in "the wall street journal" about this. look what happened in new york. we want to expand it nationwide. 25 years ago in new york, 1990, 2262 murders. now it is -- if you had told me, i lived here back in '90 we would have 300 murder for the whole year i would have said you were nuts. >> exactly. when rudy left office -- david: rudy giuliani. >> the number was roughly half, half the peak. people would have been happy with that. they would have thought it wouldn't go down any further. the point this says, we know how to handle crime. it is not a secret. they went after the bad guys. send cops where bad guys are. we're pulling back from there. david: pull back from crime prevention you get more crime. simple as that. charles, you lived in new york many years, we remember times square was a cesspool and nothing but strip joints and robbers and prostitutes from street-to-street. think if anything, hundreds of billions of dollars times square was worth because we got

todd starns joins us now from washington. >> we should have taken up an offering. >> you should. how did it go? who shone who stood out to you as most impressive. >> it's been a great conference. i have to tell you right now the two that really stood out to me ben carson and ted cruz. >> it seems like ted cruz has supporters as enthusiastic as anybody. it doesn't look from my perspective in d.c. like he is getting as much attention as some of the other guys in the field. why do you think that is? >> well, look, i think within the party itself, there is a big struggle going on. and we are seeing that played out by a number of, quite frankly, a number of conservative commentators, the supreme court about to weigh in on redefining marriage, i don't think there is any way around that do i believe that the candidates are going to have to jump in and talk about these very controversial issues. and that is a big inner party fight right now going on in the g.o.p. >> donors on the republican side hate this stuff. their view is keep ma