bush, just the bush, david broder, tom brokaw, sears, peter and deferred -- all principal players stillagan campaign, the carter white house, the kennedy campaign. i interviewed john anderson and his running mate, the former governor. i tried to talk to as many as possible and gather as much oral history as possible. host: mrs. reagan? guest: no, she has retired from interviews. i will forever be grateful to her that -- the 1985 files are sealed at the library because they have not been culminated yet. there are millions associated with his life there. but she told the library to open them exclusively for me to go through. i had exclusive rights to go through the 1980 campaign document. host: what did you learn from the documents but that surprised you? guest: most of it was pretty straightforward. the one thing which was interesting, all of his inner circle dick allen, and meese, and others -- they were modest men. there were very focused on their conservative philosophy. you did not have campaigns, at least with these men -- it was not about the celebrity consultants. it was very focu