argued and they found lawyers to represent them for free not only bob ming but also tom sullivan, tom budell, richard french, john tucker so these attorneys did a good fight and it went on for 12 years and do you really want me to tell you what happened? some people are saying, no, don't give away the end. i hate it when people do that. [inaudible] >> yeah, in the end it did and it didn't. it didn't have a big affect in the immediate, you know, aftermath but it did contribute to some very, very important federal laws that did try to do what my father always said was needed and what the contract buyers obviously said was needed, which is getting mortgage money into minority neighborhoods and basically what the lawsuits ultimately contributed to were two pieces of legislation, the home mortgage disclosure act and the community reinvestment act. and basically the first one requires banks to say who they're loaning to because before that you couldn't prove they were loaning to black people well, they say that's confidential information and we don't keep those kinds of records anyway and we just