michelle dewberry ben habib and tom buick keeping you company until 7:00. migration. tom was suggesting that because of things like low birth rates, etc, that we need immigration. michael has got in touch on twitter and said, michel, michael has got in touch on twitter and said, michel , there twitter and said, michel, there is a major reason why many british people are not either starting a family or extending their family. starting a family or extending theirfamily. he starting a family or extending their family. he says. one is their family. he says. one is the sheer cost of having a child and number two, and more importantly, he says, there is a rising amount of couples who no longer believe that this country is apparently safe for bringing a child into this world. michael i can tell you a story that caught my eye again today. chessington world of adventures that's like a theme park, if you like, just, leatherhead. there or thereabouts. just outside of london. what went on this afternoon? they're stabbing two men, apparently injured in a stabbing attack.

michelle dewberry tom buick and ben habib. till 7:00.michelle, you've just been talking about eligibility and crimes and so on and so forth. when it comes to housing, he's put forward a scheme. he says, what about if anyone does anything wrong criminally or whatever, you could have like a point system, he said it could be like a driving licence. some people, ray, would say that that is some kind of like, social credit scoring system that if you're good, you can get points, and if you're bad, you can get points. some of you might be familiar with one of those many people would say, be careful what you wish for, but i hear you're thinking, ray, and thank you're thinking, ray, and thank you for getting in touch. your thoughts and all that. now, shamima begum, we all know that name. she essentially has lost her final bid to appeal her uk citizenship at the supreme court. we all know she is. let me just bring you up to speed 2019. that's when she lost her citizenship, this was the home secretary then sajid javid. remember that, she's in a cou

my guest, my panellist, my chum tom buick, with me for the duration of all of this, tom, you've heardhow many times i've got all sorts of things, but in this one i would say basically all form and no substance at the dnc, to put it mildly. and no substance at the dnc, to put it mildly . were you did you put it mildly. were you did you buy it ? buy it? >> hi, neal. good to be back on with you, i have to say, as, as your monologues go, that was definitely one of the more pessimistic monologues i've heard from you. yes, it was about what's going on in american politics, but there was a lot there going back to the 14th century about human progress. and just in case anyone tuning in that thinks, you know, the four horse of the apocalypse is about to descend on them . i mean, we're both keen on them. i mean, we're both keen historians. i do think it's just worth reminding ourselves that the last hundred years that we've lived in objectively, economically and socially, probably one of the most progressive century for any human civilisation to have lived through. and i say that in terms of if