tom coburn on this program. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. good to be with you. >> tell me where y think it is, this negotiation now that the president has evolved directly and not just leaving it to vice president biden. >> well, i think it all depends on whether or not we approach the very real problems that our country's facing in terms of our debt and our fiscal situation, whether or not you're approach that in a meaningful way that doesn't just pass the test of congress, it passes the test that says the people that are interested in loaning money for sovereign debt think we'vedone enough to deserve their confidence. >> you have been unilaterally said that you are opposed to some reducing some of the reductions in corporations and others get, in order and help on the revenue side, correct? >> well, yes. but my motivation isn't just revenue, in fact you he a lower flatter curve and a more predictable tax system which u'll get is bigger investmen with great growth and revenues of the federal government. when we have 20% of the people in 200

tom coburn, an iconoclastic, courageous republican said at let's eliminate the ethanol subsidy paid at a time people are hungry, we are growing grain to make it for gasoline? he is told by grover norquist, who is, in fact, the enforcer of the republican party that this would be a tax increase. what happened to the republicans? in they ran like a so many black birds of a telephone wire. they scattered, day or terrified. this is the reality we are dealing with. it is not the question of courage on one side and cowardice on the other. it is a question of a coming together over a national problem and, as evan said and nina acknowledge, it does in all boats tax increases and serious -- and of both tax increases and serious -- >> the democrats have proposed neither. >> propose schmose. if either side is not willing to do something that is painful, there is not going to be a deal. in the short run, we are in the middle of a possible rerecession, and you don't want to do something that would fizzle tod -- that would facilitate that happening. >> yes, is gaddafi an evil man? certainly. but wher

economic town hall that aired on cbs early show earlier this week, your colleague republican senator tom coburn said that the reason that democrats and republicans can't get together is because people in both parties are simply more interested in their own political survival than they are in doing what needs to be done. he said you just don't have the courage to step up to the plate and do it. do you believe he's right about that? >> i sure hope not. i mean we're going to have an opportunity here very soon in connection with raising the debt ceiling to see whether both sides can come together and address this enormous problem. you know, when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff are taught military guide when asked what is our biggest national security problem says the debt. when the co-chairman of the president's deficit reduction commission and former bill clinton chief of staff says this is the most predictable crisis in history, when you have a $14 trillion debt as big as our economy plus over $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities on popular programs like medicare, medicaid and social se

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>> i would say like tom coburn said, why is this happening?here's no confidence. people don't feel confident about the future. so they're not going out and taking a risk and buying a home and therefore bringing your home value up. this is a symptom of the bad economy. let's fix the economy. there's a lot of things that i hope we can get into that can get this economy growing because washington's throwing a bunch of programs at you and it's still not working. it's cost a lot of taxpayer lab liability. there's no confidence in this economy to bring that market back up so you're not under water any more. >> let's go to robert johnson who has, i think, apparently to your question here. >> there's a lot of agreement that we need to balance the budget and reduce the deficit. how realistic are we in achieving those goals if we do not reinstate or raise at least some taxes? >> i want to ask senate coburn to answer that question. kind of got off the republican reservation there. he wanted them offset. so should taxes be off the table? >> no, i don't th

tom coburn, who also is a doctor, and joe lieberman, who typically votes with democrats.n giving this proposal they realize that it's a plan that nobody is going to like. democrats are pouncing on it. there is agreement on free trade. the white house and capitol hill have worked out agreements on colombia, panama and south korea that includes aid for american workers that are displaced when companies go overseas. we'll hear more about that and medicare when those all-important deficit talks when president obama gives a news conference later this morning. >> tracie potts, thank you very much. >>> in afghanistan, the taliban is planning responsibility for a rare nighttime attack in the capital of kabul. a four-hour standoff between militants and police saw at least 11 afghan victims killed, mostly hotel workers, along with eight attackers. nato helicopters brought the siege to an end by firing rockets at gunmen on the roof of the intercontinental hotel. >>> here is a look at other stories making news early today in america. surveillance video in massachusetts show that alco

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>> tom coburn is completely right and grover norquist is completely wrong. if you're going to have a deal, there's going to have to be revenue as part of it. it doesn't mean you have to raise rates but it does mean you have to raise revenues by closing loopholes and the loopholes they're talking about is closing loopholes on corporate taxes for a plane and things like that. they're not raising rates, anything that's going to hurt growth. if you're going to do a deal, if you're going to cut the size of government-- which will be part of the deal-- you have to raise revenue. and grover is wrong on the economics. he's wrong factually. he said that only coburn reallyments to raise revenues. i've had several republican senators say to me, hey, i signed grover's pledge. but as part of this deal i know we need to raise rates and i'm going to go back on it. and it would be good for the country. it would be bad for grover's interest group, but it's absolutely-- coburn is absolutely right. >> what about the republican party? would it be bad for the republican party? >

senator joe lieberman and tom coburn announced their proposal today to cut medicare to get the ballooning national debt under control. their plan would raise the eligibility age from 65 to 67 and make everyone pay more, especially the rich. the savings would be $600 billion in a decade. the plan would have been political suicide in normal times. >> nobody's going to like this plan. we understand that. but nobody wants the present medicare advantage, and those that are absolutely dependent on it to not have anything. >> our plan contains some strong medicine, but that's what it will take to keep medicare alive. >> the governor projects medicare will run out of money to pay full benefits in 2024. house minority leader nancy pelosi calls the proposal unacceptable. she released this statement saying, "it is unfair to ask seniors to get less in benefits and wait longer to get medicare all while republicans back tax breaks for beiig oil and corporations that ship jobs overseas." >>> up next, what's behind the fed's push to take one drug off the market and why thousands of women aren't letting g

congressman allan west, congressman paul ryan architect of the house budget plan and oklahoma senator tom coburn pretty much stuck to the republican line. low taxes and cutting the deficit will eventually lead to economic growth, and that will increase jobs. ryan said what's been tried so far just hasn't worked. >> remember what the stimulus was suppose to do? it was suppose to keep unemployment from going above 8%. we're at 9.1. >> schieffer: it was coburn who may have won the prize for candor. >> i'm convinced that washington's main focus is short-term political expediency. and the reason our country is at risk is because we think short term and about the next election rather than thinking about the future of our country. you know, the reason i'll stand up as a conservative republican, one of the biggest in congress and say i'll negotiate on taxes because our country is in trouble. >> schieffer: scott, that is not the first time we have heard someone offer that analysis but it may be the first time a member of congress has been willing to admit that congress simply lacks the courage to do what

republican senator tom coburn released a statement saying: just one short decade ago only about 10% of america's corn went to ethanol. now the number is closer to 40%. that's nearly half of all the corn we grow in this country going right into the gas tank. oil analyst phil flynn says after 30 years of taxpayer help it is time for the ethanol industry to stand on its own. >> this industry is big enough to take the training wheels off. you know, why do they need a new 45 to 50 cent a gallon credit just to do their business? >> reporter: michigan congressman mike rogers agrees. he applaud the senate action and expects to see similar legislation brought up soon in the house. >> i believe ethanol is a viable fuel source but it can't continue at the way we're doing it. it may be, in fact, bankrupting the country. we can't allow for that. >> reporter: one alternative that could save billions is to reduce the subsidy and paul taylor says farmers could live with that. >> the short answer is yes we're willing to play ball. we want to be at the table. we want to be players. we want to talk about

hard that's a hard position to be but the day to day is also in a tough position at home senator tom coburn called it a quote most worthless organization and a federal government full of people who know nothing about media or foreign policy and don't employ frank the worst government agency to work for tim shamble is the union representative for b.g. employee it's like a one strike policy and you're out. and also the feeling is the v.g. has declared war against their own employees they don't support them they don't support the voice of america blocking stickley fighting on employees who leave early or make personal phone calls and political interference in the newsroom are also something shamble says he's fought against he tried to shield themselves from any kind of congressional oversight. and it's pretty been they've been able pretty much to to run the agency any way they see fit. regardless of what congress thinks there's also a battle as to whether the b.b.c. admission is to influence abramoff we have radio for your pretty liberty and i know now who are television. because i believe tha

i am pleased to be working with tom coburn on this. he has a long time record of thinking about the next generation and not the next collection. he has built up tremendous expertise in the area of government financing. after i voted against the reihan plan when it came to a vote in the senate, i said to myself, okay, i have done that. but the alterative now is not to do nothing. because if i do nothing more, medicare is going to go bankrupt. i set out to find out how we could change medicare to preserve it as a government system. i wrote an op-ed in the washington -- "washington post" and tom pulled me aside and said, i appreciate what you are doing and i think we can work together. if we did work together and we came up with this program, which i hope, and i believe it doesn't create a bipartisan beachhead, if you will, around which perhaps the gridlock and breakdown in discussions in dealing with the debt ceiling and our debt overall can occur. senator? >> let me say what a pleasure it has been to work with bill on this. the time to

from holding a normal day job after hearing about this one republican senator wasn't too pleased tom coburn wrote a letter to the social security administration's inspector general asking them to look into the matter a letter read even as the thorn is able to determine what is appropriate attire and actions in public and drive himself to complete errands designing cars to make babies. sure to support a three hundred fifty pound adult and run it in a support group it is possible that he has been improperly collected does a benefit disability benefits for a period of time in response to his benefits possibly being cut off stanley or threaten to kill himself saying i have no problem killing myself take away the last thing keeping me here and see what happens next time you see me on the news it'll be in a body bag so given our deficit problems in america should probably should people like stanley florent be cut off from receiving social security payments just because their disability manifests itself in some bizarre way for more on this i'm joined by a man to carry reporter the deal you call hi

people like tom coburn are supportive -- he's an ultra hawk on these issues.uld be a common ground. >> let me move you to 2012 and we talked about former governor romney now and certainly seems to be the frontrunner in money and polling in iowa and new hampshire, so the on going premise is it will be mitt romney versus who? who is the nonmitt romney? >> well, it's hard to "des moines register" poll showinge bachmann just a point behind. but the thing that is similar between is that they offer pretty crystal cheer choice. having signed on to the ryan budget and all the different things it would do like end medicare. i think that will set up the choice that will make will clear to the american people of who they pull the lever for next november. >> and we should say that he's right, huckabee went on to win the iowa caucuses, you be didn't go on to become the anti-john mccain. >> i agree. >> so who do you have having the strength to take on a frontrunner albeit a wat a rathk one? >> i think three will emerge, are romney, the alternative to romney, and the tea par

congressman paul ryan, senator tom coburn, ex-florida governor john ryan. >> some of them have biggerility to raise more money than the candidates in there. why aren't they running? >> well, we can look at a couple reasons. each of them sunshine -- paul ryan is new. co burn and christie have jobs. for some it is as simple as they don't want to put their family through it. that seems to be the issue with governor of indiana mitch daniels and possibly the same for jeb bush. maybe it is because they don't feel that they are an election possibility, i don't know why they aren't running. >> to will's question he asked earlier or that he answered earlier, i'm going to let you answer the question now. >> okay. >> we'll talk about the president. this week was brutal for the economy with the report that shows that manufacturing has declined, car sales down, housing prices still falling, the stock market took a tumble, and hiring slowed dramatically. that's depressing but that's a big mountain to climb for any incumbent president, lz. >> absolutely. first of all, i want to just tell will the re

people like tom coburn are excited about these. >> let me move you to 2012 and we talked about formerow and certainly seems to be the frontrunner in money and polling in iowa and new hampshire, so the ongoing premise is it will be mitt romney versus who? who is the non-mitt romney? >> well, it's hard to tell, and the "des moines register" poll today showed michele bachmann just a point behind romney. at this point huckabee had four in the iowa polls and went on to win. the thing that is similar between a bachmann and a pawlenty or romney is they offer a crystal clear choice having signed on to the ryan budget and all the things it would do like end medicare and favor tax cuts for wealthy folks in oil companies. i think that sets up a choice that make us clear to the american people who they pull the lever for next november. >> we should say that he's right, huckabee went on to win the iowa caucuses but he didn't go on to become the anti-john mccain. >> i agree with that. >> who do you see having the strength at this point to take on a front-runner, albeit a rather weak one at this poi

there are many of us on the republican side, tom coburn is leading that effort to repeal that subsidyhe gas, the democrats brought up oil and gas subsidies at a time when we have skyrocketing gas prices. i think the timing of this, we should review all subsidies and not single out any one industry and particularly when we know that's going to cause an increase in gas prices. that's one of the concerns i had about it. but, again, i'll vote to repeal the ethanol subsidy this week. >> another thing, sort of turning to foreign policy related to the budget, that is, you heard jon huntsman say he questioned the libyan effort from the very beginning, what's our strategic interest here, that everything needs to be looked at in terms of is there a strategic interest and do we really have the money to do it. so far $664 million it is estimated we've spent in libya. how long are you willing to go ahead to keep that going? >> well, i'm actually co-sponsoring a resolution brought forward by senator cornyn. i think that the president should have come to congress to seek approval for libya. and, in

and i don think senator tom coburn of oklahoma does, either, or any of the other republicans.ost: are tax increases on the table for you? caller: yes, ma'am. in order to get this thing under control, we have to increase taxes, but we have to make spending cuts. host: on the bipartisan negotiations that vice-president joe biden is leading over revenue versus spending, here is the "washington post," saying that the talks are under way led by biden. this time around negotiators have agreed to pull about 200 billions in savings from various programs, including federal worker pensions and farm subsidies. with obama to host house democrats at the white house later this week, steny hoyer, the democrat from maryland, the no. 2 in the house, fired a warning shot tuesday. let's go to nevada, charlie, an independent. caller: i appreciate very much c-span. i would like to see the government take an honest circle approach. there is money but they have driven all the jobs overseas. they got tax from all of these people that used to work. now we have great unemployment. if they would very si

this is what the senator tom coburns had to say. >> medicare is the biggest cost long term. if we don't go after the biggest first and try to make sensible reforms, if nobody is going to like this plan. we understand that. but nobody wants the present medicare and those absolutely dependent on it not to have anything. a trust fundt part bellies up in 2016, what's going to happen? are we going to fix it then? how much more painful would it be done if we don't make small adjustments now? host: talking about the new proposal by, the two senators to cut medicare spending. i want to show you some other deadlines. there's this story. $8.5 billion deal. host: and this story. host: and a side story about tim pawlenty. he gave a speech and he said america already has one party devoted to decline, retrenchment, and withdraw. that was in new york. now to massachusetts, millie is 77. you are on the air. caller: this is actually tony from tampa, florida, 44 years old. i don't feel medicare is truly transparent. we want companies and other industries to be transparent. and clearly show an

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and i want to particularly thank mike crapo and saxby chambliss and tom coburn, most of us who stuck in if and took a sabbatical. the thing we have to guard against and what i think the obsessiveness about trying to get this plan out sooner thanh later is that we've seen some folks from the republican side who try to draw these bright lines, and if you cross the lin in any way, even on tax expenditures, that somehow violates pledges and codes and what have you. and that successful formula from a political standpoint, we're now seeing folks from the democratic side saying, well, w ought to do the same with thosee same bright, bright lines around entitlement programs. entitlemet programs. and the more we get into that kind of conundrum, the of devotee for folks to meet the ground will diminish so my thanks has taken a whole lot of zeros on this. the need to be supportive for their efforts and get more of a voice. those of you that care about this we need to be talking to a lot of our friends in the congress and both parties to say now is the time to step up if there was ever a chance t

i am pleased to have worked with tom coburn of this. he has a long record of thinking about the next generation and not the next election. he has tremendous expertise in the area of government financing. after i voted against the ryan plan, i said to myself, i have done that. the alternative now was not to do nothing. because medicare will go bankrupt. i set out to try to figure out how we could change medicare to preserve it as a government system. tom called me up and said i appreciate what you're doing. i want to work together on something. i am proud we came up with this program which i hope creates a bipartisan beachhead around which the gridlock and the breakdowns about the debt ceiling can occur. senator coburn. >> let me say what a pleasure it has been to work with joe on this. you do not put up a smoke alarm when the fire is raging. you put it in before it the first vestiges of the inferno. the real question in front of us is that people are not -- it does not matter who the administration is. five years from now medicare will

i am pleased to have worked with tom coburn on this.has a long time record of thinking about the next generation and not the next election. he has built up tremendous expertise in the area of government financing. if you ask how we came together, after i voted against the ryan plan when it came to a vote in the senate, i said to myself, okay, i have done that, but the alternative now is not to do nothing. if i do nothing more, medicare will go bankrupt. so i set up to try to figure out how we could change medicare to basically preserve it as a government system. i wrote an op-ed in "the washington post." tom read it and called me up and said, i appreciate what your doing and this see if we can work on something together. we came up with this program which i hope will create some bipartisan beachhead, if you will, around which perhaps the gridlock and the breakdown in discussions about dealing with the debt ceiling and our debt overall can occur. senator coburn. >> let me say what a pleasure it has been to work with bill on this. the rea

president obama's comments in iowa about manufacturing jobs here in after that, joe lieberman and tom coburn on their proposal to cut medicare costs and reduce the debt. >> tomorrow morning, former house intelligence committee chairman peter hoekstra will take questions about libya and the war powers act and the situation in afghanistan. we will talk about the economy and trade with former senator byron dorgan. and we will speak with regina benjamin. "washington journal" every day at 7:00 a.m. eastern. >> several live the best to tell you about tomorrow morning. the senate commerce committee will look into data security and privacy. members will hear from representatives of government agencies as well as business and consumer groups on the collection and security of personal information. that is here on c-span at 10:00 a.m. eastern. then on our companion network, c-span 3, at 10:30 a.m. eastern, a hearing on the impact of supreme court rulings on corporate behavior. witnesses before the senate judiciary committee were scheduled to include betty duke's, the lead and plaintiffs in the class-ac

tom coburn said it best.e have to get that spirit to come to the forum, because people are scared enough of the consequences and the things we have been talking about appear that they are willing to give up something for the good of the country. >> on medicare and social security, we know the substance of that. that is not complicated. the important thing is for the american people to recognize that the status quo was unacceptable. in fact, as i said earlier, all of these programs are broken from a budgetary, substantive point of view. our obligation to the safety net requires that we actually fix them. that should change the policy of putting them on the table. it does. in polling i have done at my think tank, if you ask -- for example, with the debt limit question, we asked about a clean debt limit increase and nine out of 10 americans are opposed. they are sick of the whole thing. if you ask what would you put on it to have it be sports -- have to be supported, they say changes to medicare and social secur

this was proposed by oklahoma senator tom coburn. we'll hear from the senator along with senators feinstein. this is 40 minutes. >> mr. president, i rise today in support of the ethanol subsidy repeal agent which senator coburn offered and i have co-sponsoredded along with senators collins, corkers lieberman, tiewmy, and webb. i know that the fact that this amendment is on the floor scheduled to be voted on at 2:15 this afternoon caused deep consternation on my side of the aisle. there is objection to the procedures used. i am not going to get into that. i'm going to say a vote a is vote, and we are facing a vote at 2:15 unless something changes. now, to be candid, if there were an offer to bring to in the floor next week or the week after for a time specific in a commitment specific, i believe that the author and myself and co-sponsors would certainly agree to that, but in the absence of that offer, it is important that the united states -- the united states senate takes a position on a program has become both gross and egregious, a

and tom coburn in particular was great at forcing us to wrestle with this, how to make sure that if weo tax reform, that we actually put spending restrictions it cannot be violated tomorrow? that is nitty gritty process stuff where everyone else's eyes would glaze over, but it is important to give you and the marketplace the focus that there is a commitment. but we desperately need you all to be in this game, to force our respective in theological perspectives, to get not a short-term deal, but put in place a longer-term deal. that is so important. >> great to hear you say that now. but the rhetoric coming out of washington of the last couple years about business has not been very favorable. in some respects, it has been the antagonism from this administration car represented by your party. what is the risk that in an election year that the democrats will seek to continue to exploit to the anti-business sentiment out there at the same time your turn to cut a deal this is that business is really important? >> nothing comes without risk. but let's also in knowledge the last acknowledge -

result got the vote of dick durbin, one of the most liberal members of the democratic party, and tom coburn signed on to a plan that said, let's take a quarter of it from discretionary spending, a quarter of it from entitlements, a quarter of it from interest savings and let's get a quarter from tax real estat reform. that sounds about right to me. if we could produce a plan that satisfies the test that i mentioned earlier -- and i could go back to the town halls of colorado. i guarantee you that when people would say is thank you for finally working together, thank you for producing something that's credible. let's now move on to the other business in this country to make sure we can compete and win in the 21st century. so i would say that i hope to the extent that anybody sling to the floor today that they would think again about the importance of using this moment to create a comprehensive plan to figure out what the compromises are i for one am happy towork with anybody on either side of the aisle to make sure we get this done. i see that the chairman of our budget committee is here, mr

t tom coburn on the depth and debt saoef ceiling. mcconnell will probably walk out on the president. he republicans keep electing people that are -- i don't know -- stupid is the best word i can come up with. i hope they can get there to go ahead but just stop voting in these stupid people because they give you a bunch of red meat. host: from the "washington post" africa trip has been a time for the first lady to shine. there is a photograph of michelle obama with her mother and two daughters on a safari part of a trip that began in south africa. it points out that on the trip part official and diplomatic she displayed her version of soft diplomacy. she's made appearances at 20 events and stops at a few big tourist attractions. this photograph from reuters in the "washington post" with first lady michelle obama who is back in washington. don from south windsor, connecticut. caller: good morning. i'm an independent and i'm 79 on medicare. i have gone through a lot. number one, it has to be a combination of two things, both parties are

they do not like the idea that tom coburn could decide late, maybe i will take a shot at it appeared then,. . i have the perry-ryan christie, guiliani demandint card. the guy i had the but with had the rodneymney-pawlenty-santorum card. final deadline is november. practically speaking you need to be in october to get yourself organize. he is much respected by conservative form policy, conservatives who care about foreign policy. it would be a long shot. the personal sacrifice is pretty telling. obviously he would give up other sources of income for several months. and i will not rule out the fact that john would get in. depending on what the world looks like several months from now, people could decide foreign-policy functions would not be a bad thing to have. it is a long shot, but i think the field will not be closed until november. yet to g host: bill clinton did not decide in september of 1991. guest: i think actually october. we have moved it up so monthmuch. and i also think the conventional wisdom on the record true republican side is it ends early puritan in the past, a lot o

tom coburn said it best. we have to get that spirit to come to the forum, because people are scared enough of the consequences and the things we have been talking about appear that they are willing to give up something for the good of the country. >> on medicare and social security, we know the substance of that. that is not complicated. the important thing is for the american people to recognize that the status quo was unacceptable. in fact, as i said earlier, all of these programs are broken from a budgetary, substantive point of view. our obligation to the safety net requires that we actually fix them. that should change the policy of putting them on the table. it does. in polling i have done at my think tank, if you ask -- for example, with the debt limit question, we asked about a clean debt limit increase and nine out of 10 americans are opposed. they are sick of the whole thing. if you ask what would you put on it to have it be sports -- have to be supported, they say changes to medicare and social sec

for hours and hours on end, and i want to particularly thank mike crapo and saxby chambliss and tom coburn most stuck in and took a sabbatical, but i think we have to guard against and i feel trying to get this plan out sooner rather than later is that we have seen some folks on the side who tried to draw the white lines, and if you cross the line in any way even on the tax expenditures that somehow violates the pledges and codes and what have you come and that successful formula political standpoint says we ought to do the same with those same bright lines around entitlement programs. and the more we get into that kind of conundrum, the of devotee for folks to meet the ground will diminish so my thanks has taken a whole lot of zeros on this. the need to be supportive for their efforts and get more of a voice. those of you that care about this we need to be talking to a lot of our friends in the congress and both parties to say now is the time to step up if there was ever a chance to kind of check the partisan hat, it's now because this is as dramatic a test this country will face as anyth

after that, tom coburn and joe lieberman unveiled their proposal on reducing medicare spending. all that is getting under way at 8:00. tuesday marks robert gates final day on the job. we will bring you a live armed forces tribute. he will be replaced by former congressman and cia director. that ceremony is live beginning at 9:45 eastern. the house recently debated and voted on two measures related to u.s. military involvement in libya. look for continued debate at c- span's congressional chronicle. find the daily schedule and committee hearings. >> my name is michele bachmann. i stand here in the midst of many friends and many family members to announce formally my candidacy for president of the united states. >> as the field of republican candidates continues to take shape, follow the candidates announcements and look back at their careers, at the c-span video library. >> earlier today, president obama travel to iowa to talk about manufacturing jobs and the u.s. economy. this is 25 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, the president of the united states. ♪ >> thank you. thank you,

tom coburn said it best.e have to get that spirit to come to the forum, because people are scared enough of the consequences and the things we have been talking about appear that they are willing to give up something for the good of the country. >> on medicare and social security, we know the substance of that. that is not complicated. the important thing is for the american people to recognize that the status quo was unacceptable. in fact, as i said earlier, all of these programs are broken from a budgetary, substantive point of view. our obligation to the safety net requires that we actually fix them. that should change the policy of putting them on the table. it does. in polling i have done at my think tank, if you ask -- for example, with the debt limit question, we asked about a clean debt limit increase and nine out of 10 americans are opposed. they are sick of the whole thing. if you ask what would you put on it to have it be sports -- have to be supported, they say changes to medicare and social secur

. >> host: the latest put out yesterday by senators joseph lieberman and tom coburn. they want to increase eligibility from 65 to 67 over 12 years, wealthier american pay 100% of -- >> host: good ideas? >> guest: let me make a point about medicare, it's the same problems of family and businesses. exploding, escalating costs of health care. it's not just medicare. let me also see if i can start at the bottom here. we have this huge problem because ten years ago we dramatically cut the revenue. i didn't vote for it. dramatically cut the revenue for federal government. very big tax cuts in anticipation of having big surpluses which didn't exist. >> host: bush tax cuts? >> guest: bush tax cuts. very large tax cuts. the government has less revenue, that's $4 trillion issue. then second we went to war halfway around the world, fought two wars, didn't pay a cent of that war. charged it all. you can't reduce your revenue and then go to war and not pay for it. then the third issue and very big issue is the decision which i vehemently oppose of taking apass glass-steagall and t