we've heard from senator tom coburn and both of us and your thoughts on coburn's decision to up the ante so to speak. tax code, loophole, eligibility, a trillion out of defense aing if you don't go for the if you $9 trillion you're not engaging the problem. your thoughts? >> i don't think our number one problem is the debt, it's jobs. with that said, i applaud senator coburn for talking about cuts in defense. i applaud him for realizing we have a revenue problem in this country. we talk about spending in terms of gdp of this country. well, in fact, our revenue is far lower relative to its natural baseline, relative to gdp than our spending is higher. that's simply a fact. at the end of the day i would rather see a jobs program, but i appreciate at least there's some measure of a moncome of honesty we have a revenue problem. >> a sensible discussion, which is what the american people want and deserve. the most interesting poll, 80% of americans want republicans and democrats to work together, to talk the problems through. only one in five americans think deficit reduction can occur throug

i mean, when you have a senator like tom coburn, very staunch conservative and fiscal hawk, when you have him willing to compromise, you have to take notice. in addition, the tea party should be looking out for itself. remember, the yippee movement in the 1960's, at one point it had some power and influence but it blew up because it was fanatical. and americans turned away. right now 19% of registered voters consider themselves part of the tea party movement, according to a fox news survey. that includes 25% republicans, 13 hers independents and 6% democrats. but 19% is not enough to carry the day on anything. and if the tea party is perceived by most americans as being unreasonable, it will not grow any larger. in fact, if a compromise on the debt is not reached, and the economy gets even worse, the tea party will be blamed. at this point in history the tea party could become a tremendous force for good in the country. but it could also evaporate. most americans do not like extremism in politics. we need a sane compromise. a tough economic reform in this

it would be wonderful if we could make progress on it. >> the tom coburn thing is interesting. we keep hearing there is a very strong relationship between senator coburn and president obama stemming from their days together in the senate. there's some indication the president reached out to senator coburn to try to get him more actively involved on this and he jumped in. >> it shows how the personal relationships still are so incredibly important. >> they matter. also having somebody who is not afraid of party leaders. tomcoburn i can tell you, going back to his house days, he's a conservative guy, but a fiscal conservative and he is, he is just a bs attacker. as conservative as he is, republicans have loathed him. >> because he's -- you can't tell what he's going to do. >> right. he's not afraid of them. if grover demanded a lot of people in washington says we cant raise taxes, tom wants to balance the budget. you know, that's the one thing that's sort of underreported in this, really quickly, then we have to go to break. two groups of us. we all hated taxes. there were those o

democrats will go back to that and say even tom coburn is willing to do it. >> bret: the tax code istchtureed and close it down. the republicans haven't been opposed to that from the beginning. if there is a major change, they said they would close the loopholes. >> right from the perspective of the short-term production now it's difficult argument. they are willing to talk about it auz a separate discussion but they are focused on the cuts. i think tom coburn's message isn't a good one for most of the republicans right now who are very, very opposed to going anything against grover norquist americans for tax reform pledge. >> bret: you say it's too late to begin? >> maybe. >> bret: juan? >> it's difficult for republicans or democrats to look at the cuts seriously because they're so large. 25% of the government is massive as you can see. the trillions of dollars. they had $2 trillion according to some estimates on the table. in negotiations by the biden group with cantor and the lik like. >> bret: $2 trillion doesn't pay the interest in ten years so there is a sense even from the s&p

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tom coburn on this program. welcome. >> thank you, charlie. good to be with you. >> tell me where y think it is, this negotiation now that the president has evolved directly and not just leaving it to vice president biden. >> well, i think it all depends on whether or not we approach the very real problems that our country's facing in terms of our debt and our fiscal situation, whether or not you're approach that in a meaningful way that doesn't just pass the test of congress, it passes the test that says the people that are interested in loaning money for sovereign debt think we'vedone enough to deserve their confidence. >> you have been unilaterally said that you are opposed to some reducing some of the reductions in corporations and others get, in order and help on the revenue side, correct? >> well, yes. but my motivation isn't just revenue, in fact you he a lower flatter curve and a more predictable tax system which u'll get is bigger investmen with great growth and revenues of the federal government. when we have 20% of the people in 200

tom coburn has a plan to reduce deficit spending by $9 trillion.reduce the size of government 20 to 25% and balance the budget within ten years. here is how he characterizes it. >> i wouldn't expect it to pass but i would expect people to look at it. we've spent thousands of hours going through every program in the federal government. we have $9 trillion worth of savings that are achievable over the next ten years. pick half of them. half of them solve our problem. >> reporter: now coburn will unveil his plan this afternoon but on a sunday talk show he gave hint what it contains. >> we can save a trillion dollars at the pentagon over next ten years. not hard it is difficult cult but not super hard. it is common sense. discretionary spending we can save over a trillion dollars. other government sage ace can save 500 billion. we can increase revenues by adjusting tax code and lowering it. >> reporter: which means getting rid of some tax deductions but not raising tax rates. the ratio of cuts to revenue increases is 7 1/2 to one. he would make changes

senator tom coburn, -- straddle the fence.nator tom coburn there was a time when you were part of the gang of six when you were trying to find some sort of compromise. why did you take that position? >> because the only way you solve our problems, and our problem is going to affect a democrat or republican, exactly the same when we -- if we don't solve them. the only way you solve it is recognize that you have to meet in the middle to solve our country's problems. if you say i'm here and you have to come to me, you'll never get 'em there. it didn't matter whether you are on the political right or left. this country isn't extreme on either end. we're center, center right. >> you did anger some republicans by being open to some things that some of your colleagues were not open to. you all can again react to it. tell me about that. >> well, first of all, i'm an american. a husband. a father. a doctor. long before i'm a republican. if i don't solve problems for our country, it impacts my grandchildren. it impacts my family. it imp

you see white house chief of staff bill daley, also senator tom coburn from the finance committee willdavid gregory. >>> we are learning new and disturbing details this morgan about those twin attacks in norway that killed at least 93 people. police say they did not arrive at the scene of the teen summer camp until about an hour and a half after the gunman first opened fire. nbc's martin fletcher is live for us in oslo. martin, why did it take so long for the police to get there? >> reporter: well, that's what everybody here wants to know, alex. it's a bit of a disaster. as you can imagine, there were 550 kids on the island, which is right here, the island behind me. so many of them would have immediately used their cell phones to call for help. and they did. so when the police got the call, it took them at least 20 minutes to get into the area. and the reason was they said they couldn't find a helicopter in the capital, oslo, to fly here. so the s.w.a.t. team arrived late. and then when they did get here, they couldn't find a boat to take them to the island. so it took them that extra

deficit and debt ceiling plan, president obama made surprise appearance to hail oklahoma senator tom coburn's return to bipartisan group known as the gang of six. which has a new deal to make spending cut with increased tax revenue which mr. obama insisted on. >> we now have a bipartisan group of senators that agree with the balanced approach. and we have the american people who agree with the balanced approach. >> reporter: draft of the agreement showed it would "slash the nation's deficit by $3.7 trillion or $3.# trillion over ten years." a trillion of that would come from the additional tax revenue. overaum tax rates would be lower and the alternative minimum tax would be killed. meanwhile, the house prepared to vote on the so-called "cut, cap and balance" plan, which the senate was unlikely to pass. and mr. obama vowed to veto. speaker boehner was undeterred. >> i'm not going to go out of my way to say or predict the senate can't pass this. there is nothing the senate can't do when they want to. >> reporter: the president's aides called "cut, cap and balance" political theater and preside

if tom coburn says we can get a $4 trillion deal, follow tom coburn -- i would not say that about any other politician in washington, but these republicans are safe following his advice. >> can you imagine house democrats in the '80s hearing something about what is going to happen, and they could say we think they are lying to us, or house republicans in 1995 from ruben and saying ruben has no credibility and he is lying. and the house republicans are saying boehner is make up the deadline. >> there are a lot of republicans that won in swing districts that will be beat at the polls next week if we see something like the t.a.r.p. the t.a.r.p. crisis, and that's going to look like summertime in the south of france, mika. you know how beautiful it is there this time of year. >> i don't, actually. i had a horrible time when i went there once. >> yeah, we heard. many times. >> no ice cubes in the drinks. >> chuck schumer is coming up. we will be talking to chuck schumer. also, we will bring in congressman jim clyburn. >> and we will be talking about the norway tragedy. first, here is bill

i would focus on the leadership of senator tom coburn, probably the most fiscally conservative senator of all 100 senators. he supports this plan because he thinks it's the best way to cut spending and we now may have this coburn and democratic leadership alliance surprising agreement on both sides, and i think that's necessary because the rating agencies have said that uncle sam's credit rating is very much at risk. >> have you felt -- you know, it's fascinating to watch as an observer yesterday was all of the rank and file, so many rank and file senators coming out yesterday, whether it was a democrat or republican, whether it was you or dan coats, republican side, michael bennett on the democratic side, almost as if there had been pent up frustration that you hadn't been involved in the debate even as you had been taking heat back home. is that fair? >> i think from the leadership side, most of the groups, for example, under vice president biden, et cetera, were run by the loyal partisans of both parties. that is a recipe for long term failure. there is a vital center here, and i th

tom coburn happens to be obama's closest friend in the senate as a republican. he had left the group, rejoined yesterday to help push this plan. and among the other things this package would do, it would reduce the deficit by close to $4 trillion, 3$3.7 trillion to e exact, it would cut taxes by over $1.5 trillion over ten years, implement $500 billion in immediate cuts, new revenue and simplify the tax code to neighboring just thrmake it jus brackets. president obama praised the proposal saying it was broadly consistent with his deficit goals. he also urged lawmakers to use the outlines to move toward a final deal. >> we have the american people who agree with the balanced approach. my hope and what i will be urging speaker boehner, nancy pelosi as well as leader reid and mitch mcconnell, is that they tomorrow are prepared to start talking turkey and actually getting down to the hard business of crafting a plan that can move this forward. >> what we call talking turkey. the developments come as a new poll shows growing support for an increase in the debt ceilin

i wonder what our friend republican senator tom coburn thinks not only about the boehner deal but the fact dealmaking has left principle, has really left idea, has almost left mechanical solution and has simply come down to a short-term deal where the debate is whether shue have the vote, a second vote, i should say after whatever this is, before or after the presidential election? so let's get this straight. we've got massive unemployment. we've got trade extraction, bank extraction, energy inefficiency. you know the narrative. and this debate has devolved into a debate over whether the second vote should be had before or after next year's presidential election? it's not even a debate of ideas at this point. it's merely an exercise in political power between two parties trying to acquire power. i know that's -- we know, we know, we know. this is probably one of the best manifestations of that known phenomenon that i've ever borne witness to. i'm certain it irritates senator coburn and a few others even though i haven't talked to them. you know, senator, of course, sometimes a gang of

today on capitol hill, senator tom coburn unveils the most ambitious plan yet to break the debt ceiling stalemate. >> oh, i wouldn't expect it to pass. but i would expect people to look at it. >> reporter: he's taking aim on $9 trillion in government cuts. >> pick half of them. half of them solve our problem. >> reporter: it's just one of several competing republican efforts to beat the august 2nd deadline to raise uncle sam's credit limit. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is crafting what looks like the leading contender. but critics say it may be too much of a compromise. >> well, look, mcconnell plan doesn't have 218 republican votes, no way. >> what it does is it says, we the congress will not take responsibility or accountability for our own decisions. >> reporter: before moving forward the tea party is getting a vote on a balanced-budget amendment. >> so the real deal to limit spending and get us in balance would be an amendment to our constitution. without that, we're just going to talk to each other and run america into the ground. >> reporter: plenty of plans, but right n

thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tom coburn is conservative and saxby chamblissd mark crapo, and both of them were involved deeply in drafting this compromise, so can you see this something you would support? h. >> well, it is what i have heard, and half a trillion in cuts now is a big cut and the trillion of revenue generation and what are the tax loopholes closed? we have different definitions of what that is, and then when you look at it with the piece of it that you mentioned that requires a 2/3 majority vote of congress that is to overturn or to advance, i don't think that you can bind a subsequent consequence and i know you can't, so that would take a constitutional amendment to get to a supermajority requirement or otherwise a simple majority would go right in notwithstanding the language of the super majority, and so there are moving parts to it. what i do like is that the democrats and the republicans have proposed hard choices presented to the american people and when that happens it tells the american people what we have to do, we have to make hard cho

reporter: today, on "face the nation," another idea, the most ambitious yet, from republican senator tom coburn. >> we have $9 trillion of savings achievable. pick half of them. that will solve our problem. >> reporter: there has been activity and progress behind the scenes, but nobody seems to know what a final deal could look like. the deadline for raising the debt ceiling remains august 2, just 16 days away. whit johnson, cbs news, the white house. >> mitchell: at the white house tomorrow, president obama is set to nominate richard cordray, republicans are getting ready to block his nomination. later, a new day for parris island marines, with a woman in command for the first time. the u.s. and japan face their moment of truth in the women's world cup finals. and twentysomethings, a jump start detroit. those stories, when the "cbs evening news" continues. >> mitchell: interstate highway 405 was closed for partial demolition of a bridge. billed as "car-mageddon," it failed to create the predicted gridlock. in fact, it was over hours ahead of schedule. experts have long looked at the industry o

, and very conservative member, and one person said that the credentials of tom coburn could provide a lot of cover for rank and file gop members who might not be with the tea party people and the anti-debt people, but maybe a deal at the end. >> perhaps a good sign after so many i das ofdays of a stalemat >>> and the michigan-based borders bookstores could close all of the remaining stores as early as friday. borders could not stay afloat after a private bid for the company fell through, and 11,000 people will lose their jobs. >>> a michigan bride was arrested at her own wedding saturday. tammy lee hinton ended up posing for this mug shot in her wedding dress. police say she was a no-show for a court h hearing on identity theft charges so a warrant was issued for this lady's arrest. >>> and the surveillance video released by the l.a..er sheriff's department says a robbery was thwarted by a pint-siz pint-sized chihuahua. they ran in demanding cash and stuffed the cash in the backpack and the chihuahua chased them all of the way back to the parking lot and the police are hoping to see

is dead in the water there are a couple of republican plans on the table, including oklahoma's tom coburn, who is suggesting cutting $9 trillion from the deficit over the next decade, almost four times as much as democrats and republicans have been negotiating. he would also raise taxes, something that his party is against. mitch mcconnell has a different idea, he says let's let president obama deal with this debt ceiling himself and force democrats to go along. lynn? >> tracie potts in washington. >>> well, now here's a look at other stories making news early today in america. ammonia vapors from a leak in nebraska sent fire crews scrambling yesterday. hazmat and emergency response teams quickly suited up to neutralize the hazardous chemical and keep it from harming locals. authorities believe the leak stems from a faulty release valve on a storage caning. >>> a veterinarian's life-saving heroics were caught on camera when a bald eagle under anesthesia stopped breathing. the vet treated the bird, leapt into action, giving the animal mouth-to-beak resuscitation until it could breathe on i

joining me from washington as we begin our program is senator tom coburn of oklahoma. he recently pulled out of the bipartisan group of senators known as the gang of six. he was recently on this program and we had a thorough discussion of the issues and i'm not sure they have changed. senator, what did you think of what the president said today and obviously of what congress... house spker boehner said over the weekend. >> well, i think first of all the president realizes we have to get a big deal. as we discussed a couple of weeks ago or last week, charlie, if you don't send the appropriate signal to international financial communities, you can raise the debt ceiling but the interest costs are going to go through the roof. so it has to be a big deal and so i think he recognizes that. and i think speaker boehner subpoena looking at the reality of what's going to happen in 2013 without agreeing to what the president said. we're going to have 4.9% increases on taxes on everybody earning er $200,000 a year anyway just from the affordabl care act. so you'll see significant

republican, that's even tougher, $9 trillion in cuts, $1 trillion in tax increases, by republican tom coburn of oklahoma. tax increases, against the will of his own party. his plan would require veterans to pay more for their medical care. none of this yet wrapped up. lynn? >> thanks so much. now here's your "first look" at other news going on around america today. vapors from an ammonia leak in nebraska sent fire crews scrambling yesterday. hazmat and emergency response teams suited up to neutralize the hazardous chemical and keep it from harming locals. authorities believe the leak stemmed from a faulty release valve on a storage tank. >>> in oregon, veterinarians life-saving heroics were caught on camera when a bald eagle under anesthesia stopped breathing. the vet treating the bird, leapt into action giving the bird mouth-to-beak resuscitation. >>> this is bizarre, a horse in colorado gave its owners a rude awakening when she fell through a well window right into their basement. it took hours for rescue crews to figure out an exit plan for the horse. they finally dug a hole to pull the s

. >> reporter: today on capitol hill senator tom coburn unveils the most ambitious plan yet to break the debt ceiling stalemate. >> i wouldn't expect it to pass but i would expect people to look at it. >> reporter: he's taking aim on $9 billion in government cuts. >> pick half of them. half of them solve our problem. >> reporter: it's one of several competing republican efforts to beat the august 2 deadline to raise uncle sam's credit limit. mitch mcconnell is crafting what looks like the leading contender, the critics say it may be too much of a compromise. >> well, look. mcconnell plan doesn't have 218 republican votes. >> it says we the congress will not take responsibility or accountability for our own decisions. >> before moving forward, the tea party is getting a vote on a balanced budget amendment. >> so the real deal to limit spending and get us in balance would be an amendment to our constitution. without that we're going to run america into the ground. >> reporter: plenty ever plans but right now no clear way forward. the balanced budget amendment apparently doesn't have th

1994, tom coburn has been one of the toughest deficit hawks washington's had. very good on a lot of the spending issues, yes. >> right. okay. >> and he got over 30 republican senators to violate their pledge to you. >> luckily he failed at that. >> in violation of your pledge. >> dave walker. >> specific enforceable spending reductions, got to get specific. >> how do you do that? because grover is right, you never get real cuts. >> the same way you make unicorns. >> you can change existing law with regard to entitlement programs, mandatory spending, you can apply, you know, you can end up getting a lot more of the budget into the discretionary side with forcible caps but we must have comprehensive tax reform that will make it simpler, fair, more equitable, competitive. >> let me tell you what the -- >> well and through simple -- >> let me tell you what impresses me when it comes to phantom spending cuts. you don't have to look at the democratic party for this. john boehner comes out, john boehner, i respect, i worked with, i like him very much, john boehner com

mcconnell's fellow republicans, including marco rubio as well as former member of gang of six, tom coburn. >> the way the deal is currently structured right now, it gives the president the ability to raise the debt limit. the debt limit is not really the problem here. the problem is the debt. i don't believe this plan as it's been outlined to me is a credible solution to our debt problem. >> i think the mcconnell plan is more of washington not taking responsibility for -- it's a great political plan. it takes the pressure off all the politicians. but allows us to pass a debt limit without making the hard choices that this country has to make. >> you just heard from him, senator coburn is expected to unveil his own $9 trillion package. that should happen later today. the obama administration for its part, however, remains hopeful not only about a deal but the size of that deal. in an interview on "meet the press," white house budget director jack lou reiterated president obama's plan to cut the deficit by $4 trillion over the next decade. >> the president made clear he wants the largest de

cap and balance will be, quote, disposed of, but gang of six member oklahoma republican senator tom coburn believes president obama's threat to veto the bill is hollow. >> the fact is, is you can't solve our problem unless you do what cut, cap and balance wants to do. so it doesn't matter what the polls are. we've got to fix our country. and this is the only viable plan right now that will do that. and i will bet you a porterhouse steak if it lands on his desk he'll sign this puppy. >>> meanwhile the spokesman for john boehner is shooting downtalk of a possible compromise, telling nbc news, quote, while we are keeping the lines of communication open, there is no deal and no progress to report. on the other ther side, jay car also dismissing those reports. >> the breaking news report that you all have probably received is incorrect. there is no deal, we are not close to a deal. we are obviously -- the president is in discussion with all the leaders of congress as well as other members, and exploring are the possibility of getting the biggest deal possible. >> the senate is scheduled to stay

today on capitol hill senator tom coburn unveils the biggest plan yet to break the stalemate. >> i wouldn't expect it to pass but i would expect people to look at it. >> reporter: he's taking aim on $9 trillion in government cuts. >> pick half of them. half of them. >> reporter: it's one of several competing republican efforts to beat the august 2nd deadline to raise uncle sam's credit limit. mitch mcconnell is crafting what looks like the leading contender, but critics say it may be too much of a compromise. >> mcconnell plan doesn't have 218 republican votes, no way. >> it says we the congress will not take responsibility or accountability for our own decisions. >> reporter: before moving forward, the tea party is getting a vote on a balanced budget amendment. >> so, the real deal to limit spending and get us in balance would be an amendment to our constitution. without that we're just going to talk to each other and run america into the ground. >> reporter: plenty of plans but right now no clear way forward. the balanced budget amendment is unlikely to pass but it could well clear the pa

>> tomorrow, oklahoma republican senator tom coburn lays out his plan to cut the deficit by $9 trillion over the next decade. he was one of the gang of six working on a bipartisan deal, but he left the negotiations in may to work on his own deal. we will have that news conference live monday it to 30 p.m. there were new developments today in the british film hacking investigation. rebecca brooks was arrested and questioned and paul stevenson resigned in connection with the case. last wednesday, the ongoing investigation was the topic of discussion. this is about 30 minutes. >> thank you. this is an addition to my duties . >> it currently deleting voice mails from a missing teenager. it would incriminate your business. there are confidential medical details. we happen to have this. i asked if these can be actions of the proper person? >> this makes an extremely point. we have to be clear about what is happening. this is engulfing parts of the media and police and the political system's ability. what we must do is think about the victims who are watching this today and make sure that we g

president's chief of staff, bill daley, and a response this morning from a top republican negotiator, tom coburn of oklahoma. then, is washington broken? while politicians stonewall and fight over the debt talk, the public recoils. approval ratings for congress plummet and pessimism about the country's future rises. are our politicians capable of meeting the challenges this country faces? a special discussion this morning. with us, former senator chuck hagel, republican of nebraska, cory booker, democratic mayor of newark, tea party freshman congressman adam kinzinger, presidential historian doris kearns goodwin, and nbc's andrea mitchell. captions paid for by nbc-universal television >>> good morning. after the dramatic friday night breakdown of talks over a so-called grand bargain deficit reduction package, congressional leaders met with the president for less than an hour saturday morning. speaker boehner spent the rest of the day working on an alternative plan to slash spending, several trillion dollars, and avert a catastrophic default by that august 2nd deadline, as we pointed out, just ni

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the reason this picked up momentum today, oklahoma republican senator, tom coburn -- who was a member of the gang of six and then wasn't -- came out and endorsed it. two hours later the president came out. why is this choreography important? republican coburn is the closest republican friend the president has in the senate. they've been talking a lot. why did the president come out for this? if you look at the new poll, you'll see the idea of a mixed package of some tax hikes, combined with entitlement reform and including spending cuts and deficit reductions of $4 trillion over ten years, beats the republican plan in preference among our respondents, 58-36, republican plan being cuts only and no taxes. any sort of deal is putting pressure on both parties. for republicans, a large majority of the country is telling republicans get off the no-new taxes pledge and compromise at 62%. but inside those numbers, tea party supporters, 65% of them say to republicans, "no. stick to your guns and stick to the pledge." as for democrats and entitlement reform look at this one. majority, 52% of ev

now, republican senator tom coburn of oklahoma is pushing for his own 600-page, $9 trillion plan, which would include major cuts to social security, medicare and student aid. the battle continues. >> yes, it does. tara mergener in washington for us. thank you, tara. >>> the space shuttle is headed home for the last time. early this morning, "atlantis" undocked from the international space station, marking the end of the final visit of the shuttle to the station. "atlantis" left behind a year's worth of supplies on its final flight. the shuttle crew is due to land at kennedy space center thursday morning. >>> just ahead on the "morning news," big banks and mortgage companies break another promise. >>> plus, is charlie sheen winning again? details on a new sitcom. this is the "cbs morning news." ♪ have a better day [ male announcer ] only subway has a deal this flat-out delicious -- the new $3 flatbread breakfast combo. a toasty 6-inch flatbread breakfast sandwich and a 16-ounce cup of freshly brewed seattle's best coffee. all for just $3. build your better breakfast today. a body at rest

i thought about that at a recent cbs news town hall on the economy when i asked tom coburn, a very conservative republican senator from oklahoma, why congress can't get anything done anymore. because, he said... >> we're more interested in political careers than we are fixing the very real and urgent problems in front of our country. the senate has... this is the lowest level of votes the senate has had in my seven years and the lowest level of votes in 25 years. and the reason we're not voting is people don't want to take a vote because they might have to defend it. so, rather than come up here and do the job and have the courage and the honor to go out and defend your votes, what we do is we just don't vote. >> schieffer: what a contrast to the attitude of the founders who put their lives on the line for what they believed. not the usual july 4 message, but maybe worth hearing just to remind us how we used to be. back in a minute. >> schieffer: that's it for all of us here at "face the nation." thank you for watching on this holiday weekend. we hope you have a happy fourth. we'll be right her

they are three republican senators, saxby chambliss, tom coburn and mike crapo, and three democratic senators, dick durbin, kent conrad, and mark warner. everyone said the gang of six was dead. what happened? >> well, listen, our reports of our demise were greatly exaggerated. >> reporter: but they'll have a sales job to do in the house of representatives, where the plan is being met with more skepticism. >> i think most members are reserving judgment. >> reporter: liberals don't like the plan's $500 billion in cuts to health programs for the poor and retirees. plus $243 billion in cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. conservatives oppose the 1.1 trillion in new tax revenue from closing corporate loopholes and scaling back popular tax deductions for home mortgages and employer provided health care. >> gang of six? the gang of six? how about that gang of 234 people yesterday, republicans and democrats, who passed a plan that doesn't raise taxes and averts the crisis. >> reporter: that plan he mentioned did pass the house last night. but with only five democratic votes, and

host: we are pleased to have senator tom coburn back at the table. he's joined the so-called gang of six in the senate which he left earlier, and also announced a $9 trillion debt scheme atic. we'll be talking about this and more. senator, headlines suggest that if there is a deal being crafted between the speaker and the between the speaker and the senate that your democratic colleagues in the senate are angry about being excluded from it. people are watching this mere yad of discussions. how do people understand where things are right now? guest: i don't really understand where they are. if they have negotiated something they agreed to, why would they complain? it is the whole washington silliness of complaining because you don't know what's going on. nobody knows what's going on except the principals in the room, and when they come to something they file feel they can build a case for on both sides, they will put it out there. i was a part of the gang of six discussion. the idea is to get us moving. they should be listening. maybe they need to off

until then tom coburn joined us on "washington journal" to talk about the debt talks. host: we are pleased to be back and we have tom coburn on the news, and announced zone 9 trillion dollar debt scheme and we will talk about this. senator the headlines this morning suggested that if there is a deal between the senate, that your colleagues are really angry of being excluded from it. help people understand where things are now? guest: clearunderstand where they are. if they have negotiated something they agreed to, why would they complain? it is the whole washington silliness of complaining because you don't know what's going on. nobody knows what's going on except the principals in the room, and when they come to something they file feel they can build a case for on both sides, they will put it out there. i was a part of the gang of six discussion. the idea is to get us moving. they should be listening. maybe they need to offer something themselves. that's been the problem. we haven't had any offers. we have seen the republicans offering multiple things. we have a bill

it's a compromise as tom coburn said i have an idea. i'm going to cut $9 trillion but on the surfaces, i have one problem with it. he cuts a trillion dollars off the fence in 10 years. and claims it wouldn't be that much of a struggle. i find that hard to believe. he does also have some tax increases in it, tom coburn left the gang of five, gang of six and made it a gang of five because he felt as though he could not go along. >> some people making argument that some of the plans are kicking the cap down the road essentially and allowing the problem to continue, it would be a band-aid that would be a small patch here and there and others would want the bigger plans that could have a big impact now but at the same time, wouldn't create a new format for things down the road. so people are still all over the map even just ideologically about how this and what this will mean in the decade to come. >> sure, tom coburn will release his plan today. he knows it won't pass. he said ok, $9 trillion, let's do half. >> enyou like a good drinking ga

tom coburn certainly is. and tom coburn is real conservative.was just wondering, how many pages can you get read in the seventh inning stretch, mike? that's my question. >> it's in between innings. it's through the entire game. >> that's commercial breaks throughout. >> look. the tough thing for president obama, he's going to say that he will extend the deadline if it looks like a deal is coming together. this to me though is, this is the difficult part. if all he had to deal with is the senate, i don't have any doubt that in the fex wenext we would have outlines after deal that would work. the house is just really difficult and he's going to need to know from nancy pelosi and john boehner that the votes are basically in place and as of today, not even close to that on the gang of six plan. >> you lose 100, maybe 120 republicans right out of the bat. but if you quite most of the democratic caucus and boehner can pull in 100 republicans, it gets done. it's up to the democrats. i think boehner can get 100 republicans. >> maybe. maybe. >> can nancy