solutions that matter. >>> joining me, tom coburn, senator mark warner of virginia. are members of the gang of six. gentlemen, thank you both. gentlemen, thank you both. first to you, senator coburn. that gang of six actually seemed to get along fairly well. we always thought they looked kind of close to some kind of debt reduction, the gang of six, three republicans, three democrats in the senate, looking for a debt solution. with that in mind, can you look at what's going on in the super committee and tell me what your level of confidence is that they're going to get something done where you all couldn't quite get it done? >> oh, i think they will. i think as the time pressure builds and they get towards a deadline, i think they'll get something done. the question is will they do enough if they only do the $1.2 trillion, we're going to have to start over as soon as that's passed and find another $3 trillion or $4 trillion just to buy us years to work out our problems. >> senator warner, if my memory is correct, i believe senator coburn had like an $8 trillion packa

." >> joining us this week, oklahoma senator tom coburn. thank you for being with us. >> glad to be with you. >> we want to talk about the supercommittee and some of the details that may or may not come out in the next few days, but let me ask you the larger question -- why is it so hard for this congress and for democrats and republicans to reach a compromise? >> because there's fundamental tenants that they embraced that they are thinking about in the short term rather than thinking about in the long term. i think what we have seen is pretty significant movement to offer revenue, which that was the line in the sand, and that has been breached now. seems to me there ought to be a real counterproposal for that and then some real negotiating, but it is difficult because what they are thinking is they are thinking is how was this with respect to the election, -- how does this affect the election, how does this affect the control of the house and senate rather than how does this affect the public? the self-interested decision making rather tha

tom coburn. >> good to talk to you. >> out of oklahoma. >> our mega panel is here.yd-weber, jonathan capehart and reuters editor at large, chrystia freeland, channel coburn with a channel of rational thought. your interpretations? >> i think he makes a good point. i think one of the things we've seen and one of the drivers of this inequality and inequitable inequality that you've talked about, dylan, we've seen at the same time that the rich have been getting richer because of some sort of profound economic forces at work, the tax code has actually been taxing them less and a big way that that happens is there's a lot of deductions in there that favor people who are well off. >> yeah. >> i think that there would be broad-based support for removing those. part of the problem is this tax pledge that so many of the republican legislators have signed. >> isn't the issue with the tax code very similar with the issue to cutting the defense budget? every single congressional district has some constituency that's benefiting from some special tax arrangement, the same as eve

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tom coburn right wing republican. what do you expect?eral what is they think. >> greg: but they are proposing the end of capitalism. they aren't hiding that. they aren't hiding it. ad busters started this whole thing. virulently anti-capitalism. >> bob: i'm anti-capitalism the way they see capitalism, 1% of the people get all the money. >> dana: good for some, not for others. >> bob: good for 1%, not good for 9%. >> dana: niz last words, eric? >> eric: they're against crony capitalism, but what is going on in d.c. is crony sociallism and a lot worse. they don't have a problem with it. >> dana: we'll talk about that in the hour. but up next on "the five," did you know that democrat jon corzine whose company went down the drain helped create president obama trillion-dollar stimulus. we have interesting tape on that. don't forget to elmail us at thefive@foxnews.com. ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back. every wonder why trillion-dollars in stimulus we've blown under obama hasn't created jobs? maybe they should look at who is advising the clowns in oba

my first thought when i read that was, tom coburn is not going to run again. he is from the most republican state. he takes no chance. that was my first thought. all we have gotten used to in this town. bradley smith, i do not know what he does. he is probably a lawyer. he is saying something that would probably favor his clients. i am not accusing either one of them of that. we are so cynical watching this process. here you go again. >> you have demonstrated my point. you look at what you think of the influences that might be affecting both of them. you read the truth of delhi. i think that for both of them, -- truth value. i think that for both of them, there is integrity. smith works with a research group that the policy advocacy. he does not depend on the clement's. -- on his clients. it is an important question. >> another one of want to talk to you about. you have the tea party and up by wall street. i have what the liberals say the occupied wall street -- watched the liberals say occupy wall street is fabulous. how'd you get to the truth of that? >> one

this is senator tom coburn. now, this is certainly not you or me, but this is clearly because the climate is changing -- >> but, wait. let me add a note of caution here. i congratulate senator coburn who i was on the simpson-bowles commission for saying that, but i fear that the republicans now are trying to lure democrats into putting proposals on the table by saying that, yes, we will put taxes and we will, you know, go after the rich, to put that on the table, but at the end of the day grover norquist has already said they have agreed privately that they are not going to raise taxes, so i want democrats to be very careful not to say, okay, well then we'll do something about entitlements which i don't think should be on the table anyway, and then the republicans say, oh, never mind. we didn't really mean it about going after the wealthy in our country. >> so dr. professor perry, we shouldn't trust them. there may be some switch and bait here. >> well, sure. the fact that all of this is occurring in the context

tom coburn right wing republican. what do you expect? liberal what is they think. >> greg: but they are proposing the end of capitalism. they aren't hiding that. they aren't hiding it. ad busters started this whole thing. virulently anti-capitalism. >> bob: i'm anti-capitalism the way they see capitalism, 1% of the people get all the money. >> dana: good for some, not for others. >> bob: good for 1%, not good for 9%. >> dana: niz last words, eric? >> eric: they're against crony capitalism, but what is going on in d.c. is crony sociallism and a lot worse. they don't have a problem with it. >> dana: we'll talk about that in the hour. but up next on "the five," did you know that democrat jon corzine whose company went down the drain helped create president obama trillion-dollar stimulus. we have interesting tape on that. don't forget to elmail us at thefive@foxnews.com. ♪ ♪ almost tastes like one of jack's als. fiber one. h, forgot jack cereal. [ jack ] what's for breakfast? um... try the number one! [ jack ] yeah, ts is pretty good. [ male

what tom coburn had to say. he is joining us on "newsmakers" coming up after "washington journal." >> was the super committee a good idea or a mistake? >> in washington, the answer is kicking the can down the road. host: john feehery? guest: it seems to have been an exercise, much like the simpson- bowles commission. it was an effort to continue the process of getting ideas out there and how to deal with this. it would be too tempting to not take, but obviously there was a lack. i would make the point that come early on, president obama was not anywhere near the scene. he had no interest in participating in the super- committee. matter of fact, he is in bali right now. he is not in any way shape or form anywhere near this. you need to have presidential leadership. the president early on in september give a speech to congress about his jobs bill and three days later it appeared in a campaign commercial. he has already started campaigning. he has decided on a a do nothing strategy. getting something done is not re

senator tom coburn of oklahoma asked the irs for some of the data to look at how much money was going. half of this is direct payments and programs like social security, agriculture payments, conservation programs. the other half is tax breaks and tax loopholes that all together add up to about $30 billion annually that are staying out of the federal coffers, specially as many members on the hill are talking about cutting the deficit. >> so when we look at this, because, dan, the congressional report dropping famous names that i think are going to perk the years of a lot of people around the country. jon bon jovi got money for raising honeybees. scottie pippen. david rockefeller, ted turner receiving half a million dollars in farm subsidiesubsidies. no one is suggest that they've done anything wrong but seeing the people that are on this list, is that the problem that we have these allowances that are made in this country for people basically to work the system? >> well, those are just some of the big names in the report. remember, this is hundreds of thousands of people. all of them

. >> just to correct the recor yes, tom coburn to suppo t on simpson-bowles and he was excludedrom the committee did pat toomey was on the committee. he endorsed $300 billion in revenues over thet 10 years, $30 billion a year, under e condition, that the bush tax cuts nimply be retnened, but at the highest rate be cut to 28%. democrats think they have a winner polititically on this. they didn't -- juslet me finish if f i could, charles before you i interrupt. this discredits government it discredits congrs, and it helps repupublicans in 2012. >> what i don't understand is how you n sayay oh, yes, the republicans would have increased revenues, butecause the rates were lowered, it is not a good idea. who cares? do y think the chinese who ow our debt, caree about the rates? what they care about is the net revenues and the deb per you can do it with lower rates, and it is a win-n-win. >> that is a big if. >> is tha -- is there a silver linining here? >> that is the other thing the and not going to let the automatic cuts take place. that is the further damning thing about our system. we hav

. >> just to correct the record, yes, tom coburn did support that in simpson-bowles, and he was excluded from the committee. pat toomey was on the committee. he endorsed $300 billion in revenues over the next 10 years, $30 billion a year, under one condition, that the bush tax cuts not simply be retained, but at the highest rate be cut to 28%. i would say this -- the democrats think they got a winner politically on this. they didn't. just let me finish, if i could, charles, before you interrupt. this discredits washington, this discredit congress, and the more it does that, it helps republicans in 2012. >> what i don't understand is how you can say oh, yes, the republicans would have increased revenues, but because the rates were lowered, it is not a good idea. who cares? do you think the chinese, who own our debt, care about the rates? what they care about is the net revenues and get. if you lowered the debt and can do it with lower rates, it is win-win-win. >> that is a big if. >> is there a silver lining here? >> that is the other thing, they are not going to let the automatic cuts to

tom coburn of oklahoma, mike crapo, kent conrad of northica dota and dick durbin. none of the four was put on the super committee. there were four who voted against simpson bowles. all four of them were put on the super committee. so there was a certain orthodoxy. any deviation from what had been the party of orthodoxy was not encouraged and was discouraged. i think the democrats came out with a slight tactical rhetorical advantage, the sense they moved more, that the president tried harder, that the republicans were more obstinate, the sense that the republicans were more wed to protecting the wealthy. i think in the long run, however, it helps the republicans and the reason i say that is this-- that it discredits government. the democrats are, whether they choose to be or not, by historical mandate, the party of government. they believe that government can be an instrument of social justice and economic justice and whether it's eliminating polio, putting a man on the moon, ending racial seg gation, rebuilding europe-- that's what democrats were about. republicans

in criticizing chelsea clinton we saw senator tom coburn talk about you know ending some of the tax cuts so how do you see what does that symbolize here but i think it it's really interesting to see some top republicans actually pretending to show solidarity with the what i think is the more progressive critique of the economic system i mean the republican party you has been caught as flat footed as the democratic party in the face of the occupy wall street group and probably for the same reasons what i think when we hear rush limbaugh criticize or use the appointment of chelsea clinton to a tough position at n.b.c. and say this shows that the game is rigged it shows that the occupy wall street movement critique is actually right that the system is unfair when i when we see that i think what we're seeing is that rush limbaugh or some great guy i think we're seeing that a group even a republican tactician a top republican technician understands that the potential traction this movement's message has and is therefore in a sense trying to co-opt it will it be successful i don't know to me i

the new report from senator tom coburn counts the ways.says millionaires have received $74 million in unemployed checks in recent years. 360 million in farm subsidies, 9 billion in retirement checks and borrowed $16 billion in government-backed education loans for college. some big celebrities are among the beneficiaries. taxpayer funded farm subsidies for nba star scotty partnershipen and ted turner. superstar bon jovi paid only $100 in property taxes last year on his extensive real estate holdings because he raises bees on it and it's farm subsidies. bruise "the boss" springsteen gets farm subsidies for leasing property to an organic farmer. coburn says an award of prestige can be given to honor and recognize such mega stars, but insists monetary payment is unnecessary and now unaffordable. taxpayer watchdog leslie paige works with citizens against government waste. >> some of these programs are written so badly that, in fact, everybody is eligible for them. and the question has to be and the taxpayers have to answer it, are we okay with

i am an independent and i think tom coburn, our senator in oklahoma, is probably one of the best senator we have and has the most balanced approach to all of it. i appreciate congress -- even the president, bringing up a plan that they take a pay cut just to show that they mean business, too. host: we've featured tom coburn last week on c-span's newsmakers program and it is posted on our website c-span.org belinda -- c- span.org. belinda sends us this e-mail. from one of our viewers -- and of the debate taking place in this evening, and this is inside "the new york daily news." 1 paul al from cnn giving newt gingrich the need in the granite state and others showed mitt romney in the league. jon huntsman weighing in with a tweet -- a new ad from the romney campaign. but randy joins us next from tuscaloosa, alabama. caller: actually run from michigan. i want to thank the democrats personally for finally breaking loose from the hostage takers. this started with the republicans taking them hostage over the bush tax cuts. i am finally glad they stood up and threw a backbone. the democrats fig

but tom coburn stands out. guest: dr. tom coburn is a great u.s. senator.would be a very good president. he has set himself more than once he is not going to be president. he will not run for president. naturally they do not want to stop what they are doing and go for someone else because they believe that they would be a good president and that they have a chance to win. let me say this, having been around this since 1976. every candidate has some baggage. no such thing as a candidate that does not have something in their bagram. it might be a political liability. we are all human and people who have been around and served in business or government may have incredibly good public records or they may have a flaw in the record. you can debate about governor romney's healthcare program in massachusetts. but there is a much -- there's much difference in the national plan. president obama had to negotiate that with democrats and he tried to peak -- it tried to pull people out of the emergency room to get them on an affordable insurance plan. only 8% of people i

but tom coburn stands out. guest: dr. tom coburn is a great u.s. senator. he would be a very good president. he has set himself more than once he is not going to be president. he will not run for president. naturally they do not want to stop what they are doing and go for someone else because they believe that they would be a good president and that they have a chance to win. let me say this, having been around this since 1976. every candidate has some baggage. no such thing as a candidate that does not have something in their bagram. it might be a political liability. we are all human and people who have been around and served in business or government may have incredibly good public records or they may have a flaw in the record. you can debate about governor romney's healthcare program in massachusetts. but there is a much -- there's much difference in the national plan. president obama had to negotiate that with democrats and he tried to peak -- it tried to pull people out of the emergency room to get them on an affordable insurance plan. only 8% of peop

senator tom coburn is a republican from oklahoma. he agrees with his party that the nation should not raise the tax rate on the rich but also says in a report this week called subsidies of the rich and famous that we, the taxpayers, should not be helping them foot their lavish lifestyles with billions of dollars in tax writeoffs and even government welfare checks. now there are a host of subsidies laid out in the report from billions of dollars in tax breaks for gambling losses to section we're focusing on entitled conservation program payments. let me introduce you to the $10 million bunny. this is the brush rabbit. it is an endangered cotton tail. in 2009 usda paid two millionaires over $10.2 million in taxpayer dollars. that money was for the millionaires to agree to essentially not develop their property where the brush rabbit was living. and this species has a lot of company in the subsidy menagerie. in 2010 usda wrote over $31 million in checks to a ramp if florida. part of the easement to protect a watershed to in turn support

tom coburn will talk about the deficit committee's efforts.oday, the presidential campaign of hubert humphrey. this morning on "washington journal," the discussion on u.s.-afghanistan relations and after that they look at the latest development in the 2012 presidential campaign. presidential campaign.

tom coburn proposed trillions in spending cut and among others he targets stunning amount of governmenttion, such as 82 separate programs aimed at teacher quality and many, many more. >> we have 47 job training programs that cost $16 billion a year. all but three overlap one another. >> there is no effort to determine which ones if any are effective. coburn also points to one that is more than a little ironic. >> we have 56 different programs that teach the american people to become financially literate. 56? us, the federal government teaching financial literacy? when we can't balance our budget. >> the general accountability office saying eliminating duplication would save $210 billion a year, much more over the long run. then there is the annual cost of a long list of tax deductions that cost $1.1 trillion a year. some, of course, are politically sacrosanct, such as the home mortgage interest deduction, charitable contribution and tax-tree treatment of employer provided health insurance. but it leaves many others, analysts say both parties could agree to cut. >> you could save tax exp

. >>> senators john mccain and tom coburn are talking about wasteful transportation projects, but many of the projects on their list never got federal funds at all. stay with us. >>> and in "psycho talk" tonight, bill o'reilly gets up on his high horse and lectures one of his guests about responsibility. >> you're a fox news contributor. you have a responsibility. can you prove the koch brothers are tied into the tea party financially, can you? >> with a check in hand, no. >> okay. thank you. >> but the -- >> your turn is over, leslie. your turn is over. we'll get back. i want to remind you not to make statements you can't back up on this network. we don't do that on this network. other networks do. we don't. >> oh, oh. first of all, it's easy to show financial ties between the koch brothers and the tea party. the koch-funded organization, americans for prosperity, has been involved with the tea party since it began. and has hosted a number of tea party events. secondly, bill o'reilly makes statements he can't back up all the time. one example is his recent obsession with a report clai

. >> let me show you what republican senator tom coburn of nebraska wrote in a report titled "subsidiess week, he says millionaires are even receiving government checks for not working. this welfare for the well off, costing billions of dollars a year, is being paid for with the taxes of the less fortunate. is he onthe only sane republica on capitol hill? >> i thought you were quoting bernie sanders. that's great. that is great. see, that's the kind of acknowledgement that -- that we need from some republicans, and then on our side we've got to acknowledge that we can't have health care costs going up two to three times the rate of inflation, the rate of profits and growth, and that's why many of us think the best way forward is to have a big plan and be ambitious and do $4ç trillion over ten years where in order to accomplish it you've got to put serious revenues on table, much of which can come up from cleaning up the tax code and those unfair disparities and some of which can be made by making overdue cost-containment steps in our health care programs, including medicare. so there's

tomorrow, oklahoma senator tom coburn comes out front. he is in the vaunted game of six, republicans

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we will talk to tom coburn, a republican, as well as mark warner, a democrat.of them worked on the so-called gang of six, republicans and democrats who tried to come up with a solution. they formed a lot of friendships but didn't come up with a deal that either could sell to their respective parties. want to see if we can get any hints from them. also we are starting a series called "american cities." we went out to l.a., talked to mayor villaraigosa about how he is handling the lowering receipts that he's getting in the city, the kinds of things he's doing, and also get his take on washington. >> candy, always good to see you. we'll see you again here in just a few minutes at the top of the hour. candy crowley and "state of the union," coming your way 9:00 a.m., just about 11 minutes from now. >>> also soon, catholic mass going to sound a bit different? forget what you heard the past 40 years. we'll tell you what's changing and why in our "faces of faith" next. ight? i mean... yeah. uh, sir... ah... [ male announcer ] layaway's back for christmas in our electr

tomorrow, oklahoma senator tom coburn comes out front. and democrats who say they'll work