the former oklahoma senator convention estate senior adviser tom coburn with us now. seems, as if it's a fox alert, out of control, isn't it? >> it is, both the government debt, but also total debt, if you look at total debt in our country, pension debt, city debt, state debt, corporate debt, school loan debt and government debt, we're at 300% of gdp. neil: incredible. now we keep ignoring that or putting off the tough decisions, i know when you were serving in washington, very minor adjustments and for example, title and elsewhere, there are waves of slowing the growth of this. >> there were. neil: but even that, both parties are reluctant to do. what gives? >> interesting, neil. joe lieberman and i created modifications for both social security and medicare that were fairly painless except for those very well to do in our country, that would have extended the life of those about 25 to 30 years, and neither mcconnell nor harry reid would hear for us to bring that to the floor. neil: not to give them a pass here, but even when you talk about minor adjustments, it's ge

then senators tom coburn, a key sponsor of that, and we went about putting all grants and contracts online. that was a good thing. the goal of the law was to standardize the way the federal departments and agencies report their spending to have more comprehensive and transparent accounts of where taxpayers dollars were going. it also created a public website managed by the office of management and budget, o.m.b. called u.s.a.spending.gov for taxpayers and policymakers to get accurate information about what these funds are used for. taxpayers should be able to see where their money goes and congress, which is given the power of the purse in our federal government, needs to know what the funds that allocates are being used for to make informed decisions about spending. in 2010, the g.a.o., government accountability office looked into how this program was working and what they found was that the usefulness of u.s.a.spending.gov was impaired by the lack of guidance of agencies to report spending. so in 2014 a colleague of mine, mark warner, and i, senator warner from virginia, authored what's

worked on the property reform a couple years ago i worked with a number that goes back to when tom coburn was with us and we worked then and now on property reform to make sure the we put our employees to work and they are in places they feel appreciated and productive. i want to ask given the work that's been done, rob portman who isn't here today but he's done a lot of work on this. can you take a minute or two to give an update on the progress in the administration please? >> i'm so excited about the work that we are doing. >> i'm excited also. my wife says get a life. >> a lot of people say that to me. so, first of all i want to thank you for the work you did in the legislation we got three of the board members named revere this week. we'd already reached out to help them and since i was confirmed with 2016 and 2017 this month we put it into an interactive map so people could see where the map is to get the best return on the results. the average lease is about six years and 60% are not being renewed in a timely fashion. by focusing on the highest dollar value we have been between jan

to tom coburn was with us. we worked then in work now on real popular reform, trying to make sure we spent a lot of money on where we put our employees to work. i wanted to ask you given the , he hast has been done done a lot of work on this with us as well. could you take a minute or two to give us an update on the status of the real property reform? ms. murphy: i can talk a lot more for a minute or two because i'm so excited. i really excited, too. people think i am strange. my wife says, get a life. ms. murphy: lots of people say that to me. first of all i want to thank you the work you did. we got three board members named earlier this week. g.s.a. has rechecked all of them. we had been pulling the data to help them. , thisi was confirmed month we put it into an interactive map so people can see where property is. inhad been reforming leasing trying to focus on leases we get the best return on result. our average leases about six years. we are in a spot where 50% of leases are not being renewed in a timely

charles: this is the report tom coburn made famous. >> i picked out some of the more egregious, one of0 for a brown tree snake study. this is eradication program. they're native to northern australia. and indonesia. but they were introduced into guam probably by the u.s. military after world war ii. that is a lot of taxpayer money. then the big one, biggest ever, $2.7 billion for a, an additional, it is f-35 joint strike fighter aircraft and problem is it is about 17 years behind schedule. now the acquisition cost is nearly double. charles: wow. >> initial estimates. lifetime operation and maintenance close to a trillion dollars. so these fighter jets better work really, really well. charles: so funny, i used to live in guam. i think they're worried about that. it might be too late, the indigenous bird is flightless. victim to the snake. i don't know you need to do a study. >> one taxpayers, one citizen, costs $63,000. not enough. charles: it is 20 or 30 years too late. we know what they're doing. >> all the poor bird are gone? charles: just one left hiding somewhere in a foxhole somew