. >> hi, i'm tom curry, and i had trouble fitting what i thought was my understanding of liberalism and progressivism in with some of what you said. you used the phrase, some of the people had a sense that america was the worst of all possible places, something like that, and if you think about what happened a few years before the period you talked about, you know, woodrow wilson signed into law against child labor, struck down, and then in the new deal, it was child labor ban. it's not that liberals and progressives it was incapable of being redeemed. they thought it was capable of being improved, and, i mean, your view, it seems, think back to humphry, never said it was utterly contemptible, but wanted to improve it. >> he was against affirmative action there's none of those in america today. liberal long ago. you missed a point in the argument that there's a break in liberalism and progressivism. progressives believe america is redeemed, and they very much believe in america. liberals break with that over wilson. they see in wilson, embodiment of progressivism and want to break with

my name is tom curry. i had trouble fitting what i thought was my understanding of liberalism and progressivism in with some of what you said. at one point you used the phrase some of these people had a sense that america was the worst of all possible places, something like that. if you think about what happened just a few years before the period you were talking about, you know, woodrow wilson signed into law a law against child labor. >> yes. >> and then it was struck down, and later in the new deal child labor was banned. it's not that liberals and progressives thought that american society was con it's bl or that it was -- contestable or incapable of being redeemed, they thought it was capable of being improveed. i mean, your view, it seems, think back to hubert humphrey, for example. hubert hutch friday would have never said american society was utterly contemptible. >> he was also against affirmative action, and there are no hubert humphreys in america today. >> [inaudible] >> liberal long ago, yes.

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. >> hi, i'm tom curry, and i had trouble fitting what i thought was my understanding of liberalism and progressivism in with some of what you said. you used the phrase, some of the people had a sense that america was the worst of all possible places, something like that, and if you think about what happened a few years before the period you talked about, you know, woodrow wilson signed into law against child labor, struck down, and then in the new deal, it was child labor ban. it's not that liberals and progressives it was incapable of being redeemed. they thought it was capable of being improved, and, i mean, your view, it seems, think back to humphry, never said it was utterly contemptible, but wanted to improve it. >> he was against affirmative action there's none of those in america today. liberal long ago. you missed a point in the argument that there's a break in liberalism and progressivism. progressives believe america is redeemed, and they very much believe in america. liberals break with that over wilson. they see in wilson, embodiment of progressivism and want to break with