former senator, tom dashle, one time leader. >> thank you for joining us. a dramatic last day in session for the supreme court thursday morning. 5-4 decision in favor of upholding the constitutionality of the mandate that americans must buy health care insurance or pay a penalty. your reaction? who wins here? >> well, i think everybody wins. obviously the constitutional question was looming over this whole issue now for the last year. what this does is provide a real green light to go forward on implementation, on innovation, on all the things we have to do. it won't end the debate. there will be policy debate, there will be political debate, but clearly this is a huge landmark question now put to rest. we can go on. >> but what happens next with this wave of legislation coming into effect in 2014, who pays more and by how much? >> well, ultimately everyone has to realize that we're not going to be reducing costs as much as we are bending the cost curve. our whole objective here is to make health care less expensive. that doesn't mean we're going to roll ba