move on to national security adviser james jones stepping down to be replaced by his deputy tom don jil oshilon. all of this routine a couple of years in a presidency, a potential real change in course for this president? david, what say you on the jim jones matter? >> i worked in the west wing of the white house. i can tell you, it was brutal. it was harden my family, it was hard on me. i'm glad i did it. this turnover that you see every two years, you saw it in the bush white house, clinton white house, it's real. i don't think this signal a change. when you see the president take the deputy of the departing person and move that person into the principal slot, that should tell you something. this isn't a directional shift. it's a personnel change. >> i agree on the sense that it's grueling. ronald reagan had six national security advisers. it was true that he was the deputy. we're going from a marine corps general. by the way, their philosophies are different. i think it's likely that he will give b giving president obama advice that's different. in terms of iraq and afghanistan, tom donilon