joining me now is tom donilon. he served as the president's national security advisor from 2010 to 2013. he is now the council on foreign relations. he wrote an article for foreign policy arguing against the profits of american decline. i am pleased to have him back at this table. welcome. >> thank you charlie. >> rose: i don't want to talk so much about the providence of american decline because we essentially we face crises and you know the players and how the president thinks about these things. first ukraine, the significance of these new sanctions and seemingly the united states and europe on the same page. >> i think they are significant. what they reflect of course is president putin doubling down with respect to his activities in eastern ukraine. >> rose: doubling down means. >> doubling down means increasing his support for the insurgents against the government of ukraine. >> rose: in what way. >> in a myriad of ways. it's actually a lot. the operation that putin initially had under way, and it goes to his

joining me now is tom donilon who served as the national security advisor from 2010-20 13. he is now on the council of foreign relations. he recently wrote an argue argue against the prospect of american decline. i'm pleased to have him back cap this table. i do not want to talk so much about american decline. you know the players and you know how the president inks about these things. first, ukraine. the significance of these new sanctions and seemingly the united states and europe on the same page. >> what they reflect, of course, is president putin doubling down to his activities in ukraine. >> meaning? >> increasing his support for the insurgents. >> in what ways? >> it's actually evolved. the operation initially underway goes to his wanting to bring ukraine back into the spirit of russian influence. it goes to getting leverage in the situation and he had been running a covert operation of sorts, deniability. you had agents and military folks. a lot of military support, arms, heavy weapons, intelligent support. >> on the ground with the separatists? >> i think there are

tonight tom donilon former national security advisor to president obama talks about ukraine and aboutt vladimir putin. >> this is very popular for him in polls. internationally exceedingly difficult for him. in addition to that you have a situation where the ukrainian insurgents are facing military defeat in eastern ukraine and that's what putin is reacting to i think. >> rose: we conclude

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