and i agree with what tom donlin just said. there are a lot of reasons why dictators behave the way they do. number one, they're insecure to start with. number two is they have an internal audience they have to play to. and i would imagine that kim jong-un is playing to his military as well. and he's also playing to the south korean administration, president park, who, i think, very wisely, extended the hand of friendship and reason to north korea. so this is maybe his way of sending a couple of messages. but it's always nice, and as mr. donlin said, you can't take chances on this. >> you were still with the obama administration when the two american journalists were held captive in north korea. and of course, president clinton went there and helped assure their release at the time. and at the time, you said, "the former president did spend time with the korean leader, kim jong-il, but he did appear to be in control of his government and sounded very, very reasoned in terms of his conversation." now his son is in charge, and th