you're absolutely right -- >> host: tom donohue from the chamber of commerce on the list as well. >> guest: right, right. it's no secret that legislation in some ways is bought own sold here in washington, and these are the people who buy and sell power in a lot of way, and it's, you know, depending on who is in office, you'll sort of have republican lobbyists who lobby republican party members, getting a lot of contracts or democrats in office, it goes the other way. we've actually seen both, of course, over the last few years with all democratic control and now split control of congress, but as i think you're catching on, it's always boom time for lobbyists in washington. >> host: norquist's name has been in the paper for awhile now, and he's 18 on the list. >> guest: he's the anti-tax figure head in washington, and he -- one of the genius of how he operates is he has a pledge that almost every republican lawmaker signed pledging to never raise taxes. at a time like this with huge deficits, there's just two ways to close them, cutting spending or raising taxes and parole a mixture

guest: i think that is why we have the chamber of commerce tom donohue. host: tom donahue coming in at number 10 on alleged. washington alan is an independent caller. good morning. caller: i would like to talk about protecting other people from power. i would like to see an article on this. the grand jury clause of the fifth amendment does not apply to the state's. note 12 person trial juries in states. -- no 12-person trial juries in state spendin. the long dissenting opinion in one case, just briefly secret nominations which may undermine however convenient arbitrary powers executed are the most convenient may gradually increase. host: ok. guest: i am not much of a legal historian. it sounded interesting. i cannot quite follow the thread there. host: a possible vice president candidate makes number 40 on the list. guest: sure. senator rubio is enormously powerful. what you might call an up and in the senate, he is well liked and charismatic. he is a real coveted endorsement. we will see if he gets the vice president nod or not. host: this tweet -- guest:

trade representative ron kirk, mike froman from the white house, tom donohue from the chamber. of course, our friends from boeing whom you will hear from in a minute, and so many more. and i am particularly pleased that this luncheon is being held in the ben franklin room with ben franklin steering over uzbek because it is named for a man who is both one of america's first diplomats, and also one of our earliest innovators and entrepreneurs. he understood that our country's greatness we depend on both public excellence and private enterprise. and it is in that spirit that we gather today to discuss how americans foreign policy in shaping u.s. businesses abroad and drive recovery here at home, and also help provide a strong foundation and effective economic tools that can strengthen and sustain america's global leadership. now, here at the state department we call this economic statecraft. and we have worked to position ourselves to lead in a changing world where security is shaped in financial markets and on factory floors as well as in diplomatic negotiations, and on the battl