there are new bombs, very big bombs, trucks ri enforced, bombs through mag ni tom eters. the bomb-makers are alive. there's more groups than ever and huge mal-esso lens. >> who is write, president obama or senator fienstein? >> they are both right. and i'm not kidding. let me say first it's a pleasure to be an al jazeera america. you bring new content and energy to the business. i'm pleased to be on the program. as for who is right and why they are both right, it's true that core al qaeda has been decimated. al qaeda as a top-down organization is over. al qaeda and related terror groups - they are parasitically related in a horizontal way is growing. what mike rogers is saying is that the threats have changed. what diane is saying is that they have increased. >> let's listening to house intelligence chair mike rogers, who suggested the situation may be worse than before 9/11, 2001. >> the pressure on intelligence services to great it right is stronger. more affiliates than we have had have switched to the notion that smaller events are okay. if you have more smaller event