for his part, the president explained to tom freedman of the "new york times", all the other loose ends have a better shot at being tied up now. >> part of what i have told my team is we have to distinguish between the idea logically driven offensive iran and the defensive iran that it feels vulnerable. and sometimes may be reacting because they perceive that as the only way they can avoid repeats of the past. >> gary watched iran closely through a long career in international relations including on president carter's national security staff. he joins me from new york. welcome to "inside story". is the president right? are there two iran, an offensive and defensive iran? >> well, it's trou. although in reality even iran's offensive part is often defensive because they are protecting a position that they already had >>> could this moment, as some suggested over the weekend, have been used, should be used to better advantage by the united states. it's said that iran came to the table because it was under such pressure, should the united states have tried to get more enrichment? >> well, i

huge interview with "the new york times," tom freedman, what's the strategy here the game plan between the president and his team between the framework of a deal and finalizing what they hope will be the deal. >> this caught my eye. a couple of thing, we rarely hear the brz speak to "the new york times." it's an outlet that's been wanting more and more interviews with him and haven't gotten them over the years and going to friedman one of the best thinkers in the world to give him his thoughts on iran since this deal was announced a couple of days ago. they had a sound bite interview, this was a 45-minute interview and you can watch the whole thing on the new york times website and he did this with vox where the president can speak at length uninterrupted essentially and deliver his point of view about the world without, you know being condensed into a 30-second sound bite. sound bites are the main way most people hear what the president's thinking. >> right. >> but you can see this white house is never pleased by that. they're going out and looking for ways that the president can spea

in lengthy interview, tom freedman, the president argued support for israel is a bedrock of his foreignolicy. >> i would consider it a failure on my part a fundamental failure of my presidency if on my watch or as a consequence of work i've done israel was rendered more vulnerable -- >> not just a strategic failure. >> and that's not just a strategic failure but it would be a moral failure. >> netanyahu on "meet the press" is not waivering in his opposition to the agreement negotiated in lusanne. >> you see it's a historic decision historic deal it could be historically bad deal because it leaves the preeminent terrorist state of our time with a vast infrastructure. >> prompted this critique from a key democratic senator. >> i think he said what he's had to say. and to be candid with you, this can back fire on him. and i wish that he would contain himself because he has put out no real alternative. >> maryland senator ben cardin joins us for his first interview since replacing bob menendez as the top democrat on the foreign relations committee while menendez fights corruption charges. c

bill: tom freedman had if the question about the obama doctrine.e'll engage but preserve all our capabilities. how does that line fit into this discussion? >> i don't know what that line means. the obama administration was going to be, lead from hint behind. then it would be strategic patience. now this is not an accidental line. the president knew he had that interview. he knew that was going to come up. in his own words he said this is my doctrine. my guess is they polled it, test marketed it. and what does it mean? it means whatever you want to it mean. it means whatever you have read into it. the obama doctrine used to be doctor stupid stuff. now it's just some vague mambi ma'am line. bill: thank you k.t. martha: from the battlefield to a pawnshop years after this world war ii veteran's purple heart got lost. >> this is one of the few tangible connections between me and my grand taught early when he was fighting and risking his life for the country. bill: police in northeastern spain say they have 10 people in custody suspected of having ties t

as you know the president told tom freedman in the interview over the went alienated youths that arenerable to the allure of terrorism. the suspect -- one of the key suspects in the kenyan terror attack was a law school graduate, the son of a kenyan government chief. how are these accomplished individuals recruited by these isis al shabab al qaeda terror groups? >> wolf you and i have spoken about this a number of times about the need to recognize really what is the true motive behind these groups like isis and like al shabab like aqap as we just spoke about. it's not about people who are alienated. it's not about people who are living in poverty. it's about people who are being recruited and attracted by this pseudo religious ideology that they are motivated by as they conduct killings like we saw in kenya. when you look at it what they did there at that university separating muslims from christians and then slaughtering people simply because they are christians really say clear example of what this is really all about, what their motivation really is. we look at easter. we look at

i mean this is the tom freedman theory of the world to some extent, which is that the world changed anduld argue post-world war ii the rest of the world was effectively out of business and we were able to create this middle class because we had a monopoly on the globe and the world and technology and all these other things have made it much more difficult. >> well, see the way i would put it is all those advances in technology and globalization were supposed to help us make us grow even faster. didn't work. and new and anticipated the extent to which inequality would grow in the united states. today people with median income was lower than it was a quarter of a century ago. median income of a full-time male worker is lower than it was 40 years ago. so if you have an economy that is not delivering raising standards of living for significant factions, i'm talking about majority of our citizens, you ought to be worried. >> your solutions are raising corporate taxes, raising taxes on the wealthy. there's a capital flight out of the united states because of our corporate taxes being where th