america fell behind in a world it invented and how we can come back." >> are you not going to call tom friedmane is, let's think -- >> just because you don't give her your good side. adorable is the word. >> would you go for adorable or smart? clearly thomas friedman has the smart quotient. >> don't ask her. >> this is declining like our country. >> we have a lot to talk about and we have thomas friedman here so we're not going to waste too much time like we usually do on this show. so, tom, we showed a couple charts last hour. one chart showed that we have completely slashed infrastructure spending. another shows how much we have slashed r&d spending. we've got the dismantling of amtrak right now, while the chinese triple down in their investments on light speed rail across their massive country. it seems to fit right into the premise of your book, who we used to be. >> and how do we come back? >> how do we come back? >> well, joe, myself and my coauthor, you might wonder why we have a backward looking title to what is a forward looking book. "that used to be us." the reason is we argue americ

back with me now is tom friedman. hat do you hear of the guy who is streets ahead at the moment in the republican nomination race just dismissing global warming as politicized nonsense? what do you think of that? >> you know what's so funny about all this, piers? when you think of all these oil companies giving millions and millions of dollars in donations to buy basically every politician to deny climate change, then you have the politicians complaining about some poor tenured scientist who probably is struggling filling out 100 forms to maybe get a $25,000 grant over 10 years from the national science foundation. do you know how much money an m.i.t. scientist could make from oil companies if he came out tomorrow and said, climate change doesn't exist? by the way, if there were this conspiracy, do you think by now somebody would have come clean? somebody would have reported that all the world's scientists are in a conspiracy? and what's really doubly absurd about it, rick perry's state is on fire. okay? it's now exper

i'll ask tom friedman what it will take to sof the jobs crisis. rudy giuliani, what he thinks the president should say to get america working again. >> this speech the next night is going to be really important. i think it's his last chance to be moderate. it's his last chance to do a bill clinton. >> why anyone machine was not the end of the terror threat to america. >> there have been at least 40 attempts to do such attacks in the united states since then. a lot more than people realize. >> rudy giuliani, tom friedman. serious people for serious types. this is "piers morgan tonight." one of the most important speeches of the obama presidency? just days away from the tenth anniversary of 9/11, a critical time for this country and for the white house. the president goes to capitol hill tomorrow night. he's expected to unveil a huge $300 billion jobs program. with new spending on highways and rail systems and targeted tax cuts. paid for in part by closing corporate loopholes and raising taxes on the wealthiest americans. that's the advance word fro

will she run, tom friedman? there'still a great deal of interest in sarah palin as this political force in the middle of this huge conversation we're trying to ve. >> well, first, it's not a sign of the apocalypse, you know, because this woman, everything i hear from her has nothing to do with what we argue in our book, the long-term trends of where our country's at. there's no short-term solution, not just getting rid of oba. what strikes me about this moment, david, is we're in an economic crisis and the politicians have having an election and there's like no overlap between the two, almost? these two circle? one of my favorite quotes in researching this, went into singapore. singapore's on the edge, economists there said we're in a thatch hut with no doors and no windows. we feel every change of breeze, every change of temperature, and we have to adjust. you americans, you live in a brick hse with ctral heating. you can sort of feel nothin so, where are we starting the conversation in the country righnow? are

and tom friedman and michael mandelbaum have a book coming out called "that used to be us." and pat buchanan's newest book, "suicide of a superpower." what can you tell us about these two books, gentlemen? >> can i can take pat buchanan is an apocalyptic book. i haven't read it yet, but he's really taking the view that our country's in trouble, which we are, and kind of saying he's going to be looking toward the tea party and the conservative movement as a way to get us out of this. um, i think it's going to be taking a lot of shots. i think it's going to be trying to stoke the fires that push the division that we're seeing right now in our country and kind of deepen that divide which i really feel is not the appropriate way to, i think we need books that can bring us together a little bit more right now. and his book seems like it's going to be quite a polarizing tome when it comes out. >> mr. minzesheimer? >> i would add there's another title that might fit into that category, it's by tom brokaw. i forget the title now, but it addresses all three books from different persp

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tonight tom friedman of the new york times and michael mandelbaum of johns hopkins university talk about an america and its future. their book is called "that used to be us: how america fell behind in the world it in vented and how we can come ba." >> forge go ahead while we're falling behind in the minds of americans and our nervousness about china is really of a reflection of our discontent with urselves. china is a vastly important factor in the world of 21st century but we don't need to imitate china. what we need to do in order to thrive in the 21st century is back it our traditions. >> our traditions have to change. the world is going through a fundamental transformation for another 100 years and china and europe's going through the same thing so we're at an unstable time and why doubly so we're seeing the people where you need a strong america. >> charlie: we conclude wit images of 9/11 by david friend of vanity fair with a book "watching the world change." >> i still go through the sies of emotions a think a lot of new yorkers do and americans do. rage then sorw and think we stil

palestinian perspective and scholarly writers such as bernard lewis and perceptive journalists such as tom friedman, jennifer griffin, thomas litman, greg meyer, robin wright, among many others. i'm particularly proud because at other times politics & prose has hosted writers who are moral leaders in israel. more than once david grossman, amos -- [inaudible] have graced our portals. now, jeremy ben-ami has accomplished in his book a powerful case for a new definition of pro-israel advocacy. and i'm just going to quote three sentences. victory means ensuring the long-term security and survival of israel as the democratic home of the jewish people. victory means defining borders for israel, that the world recognize and gives israel enduring legitimacy in the community of nations. and it means helping insure that israel is solidly rooted in the values, ethics and principles of the jewish people. this is a personal book of jeremy's family, deeply involved as pioneers, builders and fighters. i would say risk takers to create israel. it is also a story of jeremy's personal journey not as a young man alie

tom friedman speaks to set specific employment shall and powerful audiences. you will see his book being read in the first-class section of all your airplane rides. it is such a fascinating demographic. his book's release print. i love watching that happen. >> bob minzesheimer, a book on the list that caught our attention that we wanted to ask you about. harriet washington's upcoming book in october. "deadly monopolies." >> i have not read it. i have read about it. as much as i and a stand it is about the pharmacy industry patents on, for instance, tissues that are taken from patients in hospitals and then become the property of the hospital or the pharmacy company. in some ways it might be related to there was a popular book, -- >> yes. >> sort of a fascinating piece of history about samples taken from this one woman who was unaware of it. what happened in terms of cancer research. this is much more of a policy attack on the pharmacy industry and the medical care industry. >> and the subtitle of harriet washington "deadly monopolies," the shocking corporate t

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i spoke with tom friedman, author of the new book "that used to be us." >> you talk about the need for a grand bargain to jump-start the american economy. you think with the jobs proposal obama is pitching that america has one? >> the grand bargain has three parts. it has to cut spending, and identify where to cut it, not just from entitlement programs. it has to raise revenue. we do not want to take everything from medicare and social security. and we need to invest in our historic formula for success -- education, infrastructure, and research. but the president has been talking about is where we are going to invest, so we can stimulate the economy and have new ideas, new infrastructure. that is important. he has promised next monday to give us the other two. that will be just as important. >> there is a political climate in the country, during the course of the republican primaries, where there is no desire by the republican party to raise revenue. you wonder whether economic policy is coin to hit politics and lose. >> if you're a betting person, but that it will. one of the sad thin

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will she run, tom friedman?here'still a great deal of interest in sarah palin as this political force in the middle of this huge conversation we're trying to ve. >> well, first, it's not a sign of the apocalypse, you know, because this woman, everything i hear from her has nothing to do with what we argue in our book, the long-term trends of where our country's at. there's no short-term solution, not just getting rid of oba. what strikes me about this moment, david, is we're in an economic crisis and the politicians have having an election and there's like no overlap between the two, almost? these two circle? one of my favorite quotes in researching this, went into singapore. singapore's on the edge, economists there said we're in a thatch hut with no doors and no windows. we feel every change of breeze, every change of temperature, and we have to adjust. you americans, you live in a brick hse with ctral heating. you can sort of feel nothin so, where are we starting the conversation in the country righnow? are w

>> the book how america fell behind have feign tom friedman's name on of book, does that sell it automatically? >> yes. a columnist for the near times with a proven track record on policy issues and has the knack of writing about policy in ways you don't have to be a policy want to understand. conservatives would view them as a liberal but it is fairly open-minded two points of view and to form opinions. >> the time of our lives, i a conversation about america. do you want to add something? >> and tom fried men speakes was such a powerful audience, you will see his book read in the first-class section of all airplane rides. a fascinating demographic. it has spread and the love to watch that happen. >> host: bob minzesheimer there is a book that caught our attention in the upcoming book in october did the monopoly of. >> i have not read it but about it. as much as i understand, with the patent with the tissues that are taken from patients in hospitals have become the property of the hospital or the pharmacy company. in some ways with the life but the fascinating piece of history and then what h

and then tom friedman and michael mandelbaum, the authors of the book "that used to be s." and then a look at the freight industry -- the rail freight industry with michael mandelbaum as our guest. later in the morning, presidential candidate and minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann will be at liberty university in lynchburg, va., with her remarks live here on c- span. >> usually start out with the assumption that when the a politician or a ceo is saying something, they are not telling you the truth. they may be telling you the truth, but the burden should be on them to prove it. >> he is an eagle scout, held a brief stint as editor of "mother jones," produced several best- selling documentary's of all time, and discussing his memoir. michael more, live on book tv on c-span to. >> now remarks from chris christie at the reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. he said he is not going to run for president. following his remarks, he was asked about that decision. this is about 45 minutes. welcoming governor chris christie. >> thank you. thank you very much.

i would beg tom friedman and the others not to keep harassing israel because israel has done a lot ines, in terms of dismantling settlements or of gaza and receiving -- nobody's asking the palestinians what are they willing to do for peace because they've kept their views in an intransigent way. are they willing to give up refugees, willing to give us the benefit of self-determining ourselves as a ju, state. they are not doing that. this is a very, very, very complicated issue. so people from the outside to give advice to one side and not to the other is totally immaterial and not serious. >> is the u.s./israel security relationship, military-to-military, stronger today than ever before? >> i can tell you that we go on a great trajectory and we have never had better security relations. the times calls for it and we're proud to be the united states best friend and ally and most dependable ally the deputy speaker of the parliament the knesset came to new york, met with rick perry, the republican presidential candidate, and blasted the obama administration in the middle of presidential -

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john, it seems as if -- and tom friedman this morning in "the new york times" i think put it best. he said we're at the beginning apparently of peace process, and that's being kind. >> yeah. we're back to square zero, chuck, i think. the intense diplomacy that took place in new york last week at the u.n. has not brought the two sides any closer together. in fact, it's probably driven them wider apart. we have a position at the moment where the court s have power, te u.s., the u.n. and russia are trying to force the pace on negotiations, trying to replace a process with substance, saying, look, we have to get around the table with a month, go to get a deal done in a year. but if you talk to either side at moment, the israelis or the palestinians, you lael really do not see the scope for any kind of agreement, any kind of common ground between the two sides. >> and, john, is there any resistance inside the knesset, inside the coalition government of benjamin netanyahu on doing these new settlements? >> there will be the usual is suspects, but netanyahu has returned from new york from

. >> i appreciate tom friedman, but the developments in the arab world, what's called the arab spring, a political weaken we have not witnessed since the ottoman empire is not something created by us or caused by a conflict with palestinians. it would happen and is something which is beyond our control. it mike take place anyhow. we should not hold ourself responsible for whatever happens in the arab world. on the other hand, if you mentioned gaza. you know, in gaza strip we are no more an effective holder of the area. there is hamas government. we gave it to the fatah. and they lost it in a coup d'etat to hamas terror organization with no ground to talk about. hamas doesn't control half of his own people when it comes to talking on their behalf. it is nol not that simple. believe me. if it were much simpler, it would have been already behind us. it's a difficult issue to solve. we have to be responsible for our security. we have a contract with our civilian population to protect them against things that are happening day and night all around us. >> hold that thought. >> we have to do

. >> charlie: as you know some will argue and tom friedman wrote a strong column on sunday under siege now and also not providing the kind of leadership that he particularly would like to see prime minister netanyahu. do you have any sense that they understand that this is a moment of opportunity for us because of w thing havehanged and there is a sense that we are under, that we're under pressure from all corners? >> yes, i think there is. >> charlie: that's a motivating factor for them but you pick up yourself i conversations. >> yes. i think that's something that would say tends to tra blood but i think it's somebody who has grown in the last few weeks. >> charlie: in the las few weeks. >> if you're israel and looking at the situation now in the region and you look at egypt, gaza, relatiship with turkey, what's happening in syria. i meanou don't have to be a strategic nius to work out there's a lot ofpotential threat. so for israel, i think certainly my conversations and probably mr. netanyahu understands very well this is a moment of strategic challenge for israel an therefore requ

. >> rose: tom friedman wrote a tougcolumn which i kno you read and he put it... it really said the following. "prime minister netanyahu is responsible for failing to put forth a strategy to respond to all of those issues of the arab spring and turkey and the palestinians in a way that protects israel's long-term interests. why don't you make clear what your strategy is with the confidence you know it can possibly produce results? is >> i thought i was doing that. i didn't wax poetic. i said i hop the democrats win but you can also have the militant islamists prevail so you have to be very careful. my caution and my experience has been borne out and the op-ed writers, they write the stuff and it gets poszed out the next day. nobody holds them accountable. i am held accountable for making the right decisions to protect my country in a turbulent season. i don't disregard or ignore the turbulence, on the contrary, i see it. which is why i insist on very strong security safeguardand i also want a genuine peace. i don't want a fake peace. i know tt the peace requires m

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. >> the government wants to really do something, as tom friedman points out, you've got to actually taxes on coal and sustainable energy, and the right wing wants to stop this towards the move to green energy. that's exactly what they're trying to do. >> we used to have a free market in this country. we have had solar, we've had all the other alternative energies out there, they cannot survive without massive infusion from taxpayer dollars, and even after that, as we see with solyndra, they collapse. megyn: the demand is not there yet is the argument. >> we're paying too much for oil, coal, sustainable energiful only then will there be a demand. >> taxpayer propups of companies and industries that cannot survive on their own. >> megyn: we got to go. we may be out of this 500 billion bucks for now. >> unbelievable. megyn: alan, monica, thank you very much. it's not going to be the last of this year. >> israel says terrorists are using tunnels to cross from gaza to egypt where they are launching attacks on israeli settlers. we found those tunnels and reena ninan took a dangerous journ

co-authors tom friedman and michael mandelbaum. then a look at competition in the u.s. freight rail industry. mina kimes ♪ host: can this government be fixed? that is the front page of "the new york times." "americans are increasingly frustrated by what they say they want in their government and what they see happening in washington. they want economic and other problems as dressed, they see gridlock." we turn to all of you this morning to get your take. can this government be fixed? if your democrat, for democrats, 202-624-1111. for republicans, 202-737-0001. for independents, 202-624-0760. here are three strategies that could be helped and the paralyzing strategy. they offer three different solutions in "usa today." host: the second proposal is changing the rules in the senate. "usa today" says this -- host: in the third proposal that they put out there today, it is "meeting with the other side." first we will hear from linda, a democrat in pennsylvania. caller: good morning. my feeling is that there is no way that there can be compromise made between the two parties.

and that's why tom friedman's column misses it.olitical season, and i think that's the reality. the problem is these problems are real and they're not going to get seriously addressed. >> david brooks talked about yesterday, actually the president -- we understand more closely than most others. and david brooks sounded yesterday like he was giving up on the president at least going into the election season. >> he was very tough on president obama yesterday. but to your point about it being the silly season. it seems it's always the silly season. when is the good time to get something done? >> i think the biggest single question facing this country, and you want to call it dysfunctionalty or governance is whether we're in a position where we can get serious about making the kinds of compromises that people know we're going to have to make. and, you know, the real threat to this country is our inability to do that. you can hold these conversations about american exceptionalism where people can attack the declinists and the rest, this

and work on the nation's problems and the "new york times" editorial page about david brooks and tom friedmanre regular tribunes of that idea. >> and david brooks believed him. bought into the obama, i won't say myth, but the obama narrative that he was going to be grown up and it seems like david brooks is really turning against him over the past month. >> if you want to be optimistic and this column is not particularly optimistic you can hope we'll get a republican nominee who will engage the president on a really adult conversation about meeting these challenges and have a referendum on which way to go in 2013. >> david brooks, turning on barack obama. what does it mean? >> well, look. david brooks to be fair, he also -- it wasn't three months ago that david brooks wrote the piece where he said the republican party has given -- ceased to be a serious governing party and has become like a protest movement. so to speak to david brooks' blue period, he's turned pretty strong on both sides. >> he has. no doubt about it. >> he is a homeless man at this point on the ideological spectrum. >> many

it's what tom friedman who writes for "the new york times" and is a minnesota nation wrote called nation building in our nation. as entrepreneurs across america told me, we need to rejuvenate our laws to ensure that our patent system supports the needs of a 21st century economy. the america invents act does just that. first, the america invents act increases the speed and certainty of the patent application process by transitioning our patent system from a first to invent system to a first inventor to file system. this change to a first-inventor-to-file system will increase predictability by creating brighter lines to guide patent applicants and patent office examiners. by simply using the filing date of an application to determine the true inventor, the bill increases the speed of the patent application process while also rewarding novel cutting-edge inventions. to help guide investors and inventors, this bill allows them to search the public record to discover with more certainty whether their idea is patentable, helping eliminate duplication and streamlining the system. at the same ti

there is almost like this tom friedman -esque argument that the chinese have it so much better because they don't have to worry about the business of democracy. the government can decide something and implement the next day, whereas in america with separation of powers come it takes a long time for something to happen. obviously, even though democracy is in perfect, winston churchill said it believes were some of the options. >> host: >> guest: no one seemed to forget democracy. you need to think about how we can report come incentivize and penalizes necessary policy makers who don't focus on these long-term structural issues. everybody knows, with the republic can republican, independent, democratic apparatus of the pension problem. as of concerns about health care. serious issues right infrastructure. they will be surprised at the debts and deficits story. i could make it around the table and get everyone to say sacrifices will have to be made. unfortunately policymakers have not done a good job of explaining to people with the sacrifices that look like and what the real heirs and po

i would close that i hope everyone has read the tom friedman piece today, that he says he can either have a hard decade or a bad century. and so, i would like to go for the hard decade. >> governor engler, unique perspective as a former governor. someone who represents the unique business. are there oars in the water? >> there's no question that they are. they used the example earlier today that we just concluded a the meeting mif was nice not to spend time walking through the options that are in front of the congress and in front of the nation. there's a lot of interest in you had ceos saved by the way, this is in a short period of time because when you're 20%, 30% drops in revenues in country they had to act and they didn't take it over a few months for a couple of years. you had to start making decisions tomorrow morning and make something by the next day. and you got that day. the interesting point is there are examples in both parties. governors democrat or republican come with legislative bodies and in some cases but control. some cases their own party and they've all been maki

close with i hope everyone, it's probably been mentioned in prior panels, everyone's read the tom friedman piece today, but he says we can either have a hard decade or a bad century. and so i'd like to vote for the hard decade. >> governor learning, you have a unique -- engler, you have a unique perspective of someone who represents business interests here, the ceos that you represent, are there oars in the water, to quote from senator warner, on this issue? >> i think there's no question that they are, and they used the example earlier today, we just concluded a business round table meeting, and maya was kind enough to come down, spend a fair amount of time just walking through some of the options that are in front of the congress and in front of the nation. and there's a lot of interest. and you had ceos saying, oh, and by the way, this isn't a short period of time because when you have 20% 30rbgs % drops in revenues in companies, they had to act, and they didn't take it over a few months or a couple of years, you had to start making decisions tomorrow morning, and you had to make some b

there was almost this tom friedman argument that the chinese have it better because they don't have to worry about that business of democracy. the government can decide something and implement it the next day whereas especially in america with separation of powers it takes a long time for something to happen but obviously, even though the democracy is in perfect i guess what winston churchill said it's the least worst of all the options. >> guest: again, nobody is saying get rid of democracy. i think within the space process you need to think about how we can reward incentive voice and penalize the as necessary policy makers who don't focus on these long term structural issues. every latinos with a republican, independent, space in this country is looming pension problem. massive concerns about health care. serious issues around infrastructure. they are not going to be surprised at the debt and deficit story but the question is how can we get around the table to see the sacrifices are going to have to be made. and unfortunately the policy makers have not done a good job not just in the

tom friedman recently wrote that we are at the most profound inflection point for communications innovation in commerce since the gutenberg printing press. our ability to meet this moment and seize the opportunity to this new communications technology is critical to our economic recovery and our economic future. one reason i am confident about our future is that, as they sat in the book, america has a proven formula for adapting to change in growing our economy. they call this pharma led the five pillars of american prosperity. world's leading education, immigration policy that invite the world's best and brightest. investment in basic scientific research and development. encouraging and entrepreneurship while safeguarding consumers. and the building and continuum of modernizing of our infrastructure. these are interrelated. in fruit -- improving infrastructure supports education and entrepreneurship and vice versa. success is always been tied together in the u.s. railroads and highways connect people to each other, facilitating commerce, unleashing ingenuity and fueling economic growth. te

friedman. thanks for joining me tonight, tom. >> lawrence, thanks for having me. great to be here. >> the infrastructure portion, at least, of the president's jobs plan seems to present us with a classic, "that used to be us" riddle. no one in our politics seems to be saying they're imposed opposed to building better schools, improving airports, rail systems. we can't seem to agree on how to pay for these things. is that the fundamental change? is that what changed us? we simply cannot agree as a country on how to pay for the big things we need to do to maintain our position on the world? >> i think you're on a really key point that we've been making in the book, lawrence. and that's that we lost our ability to act collectively and all the big problems we face today dealing with the education challenge of the i.t. revolution in globalization, dealing with debt and deficits and dealing with the energy climate challenge, all of them require collective action. of the kind that won world war ii, that won the cold war. and what's fractured, what's so unsettling about a

well, i spoke a short time ago with the "new york times" columnist thomas friedman, author of the new book "that needs to be us." tom, you talk about the need for a grand bargain for the american economy to jump start it. do you think now with president obama's jobs proposal that he has been in ohio pitching today that america has one? >> i think we have a third of it. the grand bargain has to have three parts. it has to cut spending and identify where we're going to cut it, largest is from entitlement programs, but other areas, too, and raise revenue. we can't take everything from medicare and social security. that would be way too painful. we need to invest in our historic formula for success. what the president has been talking about is that investment side, where we're going to invest so we can both stimulate the economy and also have more stimulation of new ideas through infrastructure, et cetera. that's an important third. he has promised next monday and that will be just as important. >> so there is a political climate in the country, particularly we see it during the course of the republican primaries are in