and the fact that tom friedman of "the new york times" was nodding his head so vigorously only tells doubling down on a failed vision of trying to negotiate with killers and terrorists. >> what's the vision? what's the other vision? leland: hold on, alan, i want to get to a vision now. this is what the president had to say on iraq. >> they squandered an opportunity, and i've been, i think, pretty clear about the fact that had the shia heart seized -- majority seized the opportunity to reach out to the sunnis and the kurds in the more effective way past legislation, debaathification, that would have made a difference, i don't think that can be disputed. the flip side is if they had done exactly what they did and we had 10,000 troops there, that would not have prevented the kinds of problems we've seen. the difference would be 10,000 troops in the middle of this chaos as opposed to having a much more limitedded number. leland: jim, is this a fair qualification of president obama's doctrine if there is one in terms of how he looks at the middle east, so is it simply justifying what's ha

from tom friedman's column, president obama talks to thomas friedman about iraq, putin and israel. he writes: president obama's hair is definitely grayer these days and no doubt trying to manage foreign policy accounts for at least half of those gray hairs. but having had a chance to spend an hour touring the horizon with him in the white house map room last friday afternoon, it's clear that the president has a take on the world borne of many lessons over the past six years, and he has feisty answers for his foreign policy critics. obama made clear he's only going to involve america more deeply in places like the middle east to the extent that the different communities there agree to an exclusive politics of no victor, no vanquished. the united states is not going to be the air force of iraqi shiites or any other faction. he cautioned president vladimir putin of russia could insays ukraine at any time and if he does, quote: trying to find our way back to a relationship with russia during the remainder of my term will be much more difficult. intervening in libya was the right thing

for more on today's hearing, i spoke with director tom friedman from capitol hill just a brief time ago. what action have you taken in response to the ebola outbreak? >> the centers for disease control and prevention is surging our response. we will put 50 disease control experts into the affected countries in the coming days, but this is part of a multinational effort that includes the world health organization, other governments, and most importantly, the affected countries themselves. >> those affected countries, are you confident they have the resources they need to fight this outbreak? >> there are definitely more resources needed. we are not ahead of this, particularly in liberia and lagos. we have significant problems. we need to increase those of -- those management emergency management services. there is one key thing to know about ebola. we can stop it. we can stop it by tried-and-true public health measures. >> what is it that the countries getting, they are not and how long will it take to get it to them given that this is a public health emergency? >> we are working along w

he told tom friedman, obama made clear that he is only going to involve america more deeply in placesike the middle east to the extent that the different communities there agree to an inclusive politics of no victor/no vanquished. did we learn something here? >> i think we learned a lot, and what we learned is this contrast between barack obama and hillary clinton in her interview with jeff goldberg. how do you say that we have a humanitarian mission here in iraq with the ya i did zis and not the syrians where 170,000 people are dead? that's what hillary clinton would say to jeff goldberg. how do you say that syria arming the opposition was fantasy of barack obama when hillary clinton lays out a different and i think going to be an escalating differentiation between her and barack obama. >> here is the big criticism, rich lowry. this was a reaction to president bush and president obama said we are not going to be in war against terrorism . now he faces something quite vast. >> obviously he wouldn't be president of the united states if it weren't for his opposition to the iraq war, but

and tom friedman "the new york times" is joining us right now.nt of the united states. let me just try to get into his head via you for a moment. these dramatic pictures we're seeing now of rescue operations, religious minorities in northern iraq and kurdistan. it's unbelievable what we're seeing and kurdish had officials warning these isis terrorists want to commit genocide against these people. how much pressure is this going to put on president to maybe revise his strategy and go in and rescue people as opposed to just providing food or having some bombs hit artillery pieces? >> well, i think the president's made clear, wolf, in his public statements and the interview he believes a humanitarian crisis on this scale in a country we were involved in where we can make a difference, that he's going to be involved. and he certainly followed up over the weekend by making clear that it's going to be long-term. there's two issues here. one is what you've got this dramatic footage of the humanitarian crisis involving this minority, the yazidis. and the

as the worst ebola outbreak in history just this week the centers for disease control director tom friedman testified before a congressional committee iterating the seriousness of the issue but also reassuring the american people that the c.d.c. has everything under control. we do know how to stop ebola meticulous case finding isolation and contact tracing and management we with our partners have been able to stop every ebola outbreak to date and i'm confident that if we do what works we will stop this one also. unfortunately not everyone shares the same optimism as dr friedman as the virus now spreads beyond liberia guinea and sierra leone at least two ebola have been reported so far in nigeria sierra leone military troops have been deployed to enforce quarantines and a ban on public gatherings but as these precautions are being taken in west africa world governments don't seem quite as committed to addressing the heightened risk of further contagion it's a point that was made by world health organization director margaret chan who spoke at a press conference earlier today. moving faster t

as the worst ebola outbreak in history just this week the centers for disease control director tom friedman testified before a congressional committee iterating the seriousness of the issue but also reassuring the american people that the c.d.c. has everything under control. we do know how to stop ebola. meticulous case finding isolation and contact tracing and management we with our partners have been able to stop every ebola outbreak to date and i'm confident that if we do what works we will stop this one also. unfortunately not everyone shares the same optimism as dr friedman as the virus now spreads beyond liberia guinea in sierra leone at least two ebola have been reported so far in nigeria and sierra leone military troops have been deployed to enforce quarantines in a ban on public gatherings that as these precautions are being taken in west africa world governments don't seem quite as committed to addressing the heightened risk of further contagion it's a point that was made by world health organization director margaret chan who spoke at a press conference earlier today. he is movin

president obama, when he sat down on friday, talked about this as well with tom friedman. we will show you his reaction to this criticism as well but first let's hear from marissa from montana. democratic caller. she is up first. go ahead. what are your thoughts? >> caller: thank you, thank you for c-span. c-span come your awesome. i watch you everyday but i don't everybody about you. thank you for booktv. thank you. fantasies been. you are so important to the democracy of the united states of america. anyways, my comment is that president obama doesn't stand a chance but he doesn't matter if it don't mean it would've gone wrong. if he didn't win it would have been wrong. he can't just do whatever he wants to do. it's willy-nilly, it's dependent on the circumstances and the console the with the human everybody members correctly. when he drew the line and sent about the nuclear weapons he consulted again with the u.n. and they went in and they're destroying all the nuclear weapons. president obama's time to the best he possibly can. c-span, thank you so much for having that

tom friedman said. >> very strict infection control possible in the hospitals in the u.s. and there have been misconceptions about this. evil laugh is not as highly infectious as something like influence over the common cold. what is so concerning about ebola is that the stakes are so high. a single lapse in infection control could be fatal. that's why the key is to identify rapidly and follow strict control guidance. it's certainly possible that we could have ill people in the u.s. to develop ebola while here after having been exposed elsewhere. it's possible they could spread it to close family members are health care workers if their infection is not rapidly identified. but we are confident that there will not be a large ebola outbreak in the u.s.. we are confident that we have the facilities here to isolate patients not only the highly advanced ones that really virtually every major hospital in the u.s.. what is needed is not fancy equipment. what is needed is standard infection control rigorously applied. we have released guidance for doctors and other health care pro

president obama we have he sat down on friday talked about this as well with tom friedman. we will show you his reaction to this criticism as well. but first, let's hear from marissa in montana, democratic caller. she is up first. mcdonal go ahead. inaction in syria lead to the iraq crisis in>> caller: thank you. thank you for c-span. c-span, you are awesome. i watch you every day and tell everybody about you. thank you for booktv. thank you, c-span. you are so important to the democracy of the united states of america. anyways, my comment is, that president obama doesn't stand a chance. it doesn't matter if he had gone in, it would have been wrong. if he didn't go in, it would have been wrong. he can't just do whatever he wants to do willy nilly. it is independent on the circumstances. and he consulted with the u.n., if everybody remembers correctly, and draw that line in the sand about the nuclear weapons, and he consulted again with the u.n. and they went in and are destroying the nuclear weapons. president obama is trying to do d best he possibly can. c-span, thank you

tom friedman in april 2013 when you resigned wrote that that it was an arab spring before there was an arab spring. he described you as a new generation -- what was needed was a new generation of don't leaders whose primary development, their own people, not the enrichment of tribe, sector, party. and part of the difficulty and failure of the arab spring was noncorrupt, that there was not enough support and the arabs, u.s., israelis for noncorrupt institution-focused leadership. do you agree, has the arab spring failed and are these the reasons why the arab spring has failed? >> i'd like to still believe it's a nature of a work in progress, although it's hard to use those words to describe the state of play when you're looking at the extent of violence and extremism that has taken place and continues to take place. nevertheless, you know, from time to time, i think it's really important to try to take a step or two away from what you see, to put it in perspective. i think it's useful to look at the experience of other nations and other revolutions, going back -- not that far back in hi

tom friedman from the cdc and representatives from some of the charitable organizations on the ground purse and people who have been helping oversee the effort about ebola in west africa itself, so i don't know -- i think it's going to be a wide range of issues will be my guess. the united states' role here, probably the two american missionary workers, may get asked about this experimental treatment that was used and the ethics of that and may it be more widely available some time soon, how long would that take, after it's been tested more thoroughly. i think it's going to be a wide range of issues, carol. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom" as a fragile cease-fire holds in gaza, one american rabbi says the actions of israel have broken his heart. we'll tell you why after a break. when sales rep steve hatfield books at laquinta.com, he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can prep for his presentation. and when steve is perfectly prepped, ya know what he brings? and that's how you'll increase market shar

i guess, john, the thing that i heard in president obama's conversation with tom friedman is we learnedlibya. we probably didn't do enough in libya. we went in and we decapitated and we didn't do enough to create civil society there if that was even possible. we were not going to do the same thing and we were not going to topple assad with moderate syrian rebels and give a whole bunch of american weaponry that then falls into the hands of isis anyway. it's not like there are obvious things to be doing in this situation. >> we'll have to take a break. we will be right back. in new york state, we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov that's keeping you

notion that it was stated with particular clarity in the interview that the president gave to tom friedman that he looks to a future in which various parties to conflict under thet with -- rubric, no victor, no vanquished , that there is a kind of solution to be had on the horizon in which inevitably, there are conflicts, but the conflict can be managed if everyone comes to understand that there are lose-lose situations and win-win situations. he has put this in different ways, and some of this was very helpfully elaborated by mike in a piece he recently wrote. he can give you the citation. this notion that there is an in therium to be had region, and the equilibrium has to be reached by the various parties to it. that means, among other things, we have to be more accommodating to our enemies who are former enemies, and less accommodating to our friends. we have seen this expressed in a variety of ways over time, most ,ecently in the gaza war, where practically speaking, no one in the region could figure out what we were trying to do by inviting qatar and turkey in as mediators . that foll

cd cds director tom friedman says some find the idea terrifying. >> i do understand people's concern. ebola is scary, new and different, xot nick some ways and it's truly frightening because it's a terrible disease. but it's a virus that we know how to stop. >> reporter: the medical missionaries will be tightly isolated, closely monitored. the bigger fear could be someone who gets on a plane, then gets sick once they land in the united states. if that happened, health officials believe the damage could be quickly contained. >> we have the kind of health care system and the ability to isolate and use the kind of containment that we do that is extremely unlikely, very unlikely that we would even have the conditions for their being an outbreak. >> reporter: the president, too, played down any potential risk posed by his africa summit next week with hundreds of people travel from the continent toway wa. >> folks who are coming from these countries that have even a marginal risk or an infinitessimal risk of having been exposed in some fashion were making sure we're doing screening on that

this, in spite of the fact that the president said in his interview with tom friedman of "the new yorkwe have a strategic interest, not just an interest, but a strategic interest in pushing back islamic state, or whatever we're calling them this week. the president has been very careful to locate the reason for our actions as protecting u.s. personnel and a dire humanitarian emergency. both of which allow him to say, i had to act quickly, and don't need to go, as i started to do with syria last autumn, to congress for permission to do this. the fact remains, though, that fallujah and mosul and tikrit and other cities that americans fought over before are now in the hands of the enemy. we have, as far as i can tell, no interest, and i'm not saying we should, but just a fact, no interest in doing what would be necessary to free those cities. >> i want to play a little bit from foreign minister nuri al maliki finally conceding he's not going to stick around. here's a little bit in what he said today in making that announcement. >> translator: i can say to you the honorable iraqi people th

fantasy, helping them maybe wouldn't have worked, and it was a fantasy, he said in an interview with tom friedman. now they're taking another look at it, megyn. >> not only has the president been all over the map on syria, his administration has been all the over the map on how big a threat we are now, right now, facing from this terror group. charles krauthammer explains why he thinks that is a problem. >> you wonder whether an administration who can't get its story straight in one day can conduct an operation of that delicacy and complexity, military, diplomatic and political. the president simply can't decide. i think this really ought to make us think twice about whether we can entrust a man of this lack of decisiveness -- >> joining me now, andy mccarthy, he's a contributor of the national review, and author of the book faceless execution. he was the lead prosecutor in some very major terror cases, including that of the blind sheik who bombed the world trade center in '93. thank you for joining us. the first question i have for you tonight, why can we not get a straight answer from the admin

second seconda secondarily, let me quote tom friedman. he essentially said to the palestinians, had messages to various people from in his excellent column that people may want to look at. but he said, if there's no place -- quote, if there's no place for a solid fayam type, an independent palestine will forever elude you. i think we've heard today in these comments why tom wrote that. i think a lot of us in this room may agree with that. thank you so much for your service. thank you for joining the atlantic council. we're delighted we'll be able to work with you. best of luck to you, your people, and the region. thank you. >> thank you. [ applause ] >>> american artifacts on american history tv. this weekend our visit to the national security archives at george washington university reveals declassified governments about the gulf of tonkin in vietnam. 50 years ago the gulf of tonkin resolution was passed giving president johnson the power to wage war. american artifactartifacts, sun 6:00 p.m. eastern. while congress is in recess, america

what is your reaction to what tom friedman wrote in terms of the effort going into war making and theh nothing on both sides, versus into peace making? >> yeah. i think as leaders -- well, first, with the united states's involvement in this conflict, there are a surprising amount of larger groups of black and brown youth and brown leaders involved in this conflict. and we're going to be more involved and we're going to be -- like my co-person said, peace. our generation is all about peace. so we're really going to be fighting for peace now. like i think that just goes along with the younger generations. we will be involved more with peace efforts and wanting peace in the middle east really. >> do you think -- do you have faith that the older generations right now, chadwick, in power can accomplish this, or do you think that it is going to take, you know, years until those in your generation are empowered to get there? >> i would hope the older generations would want peace. but as you get older, you get more stubborn. but i think once the younger generations come in and start becoming

if you have time, go back and take a look at the interview he did with tom friedman from the "new york sort of bovine, supplicant way for over a minute. yes, mr. president. this guy gets a pass again and again and again. it's unbelievable. >> and whether or not he asked him the complexity with which isis is moving. did tom friedman ask him about calling them junior varsity? >> of course not. >> this organization, isis, a junior varsity? basically if suiting up was to make them look like the l.a. lakers. just because you put on the up form doesn't exactly make you kobe bryant. >> and are we just emboldening them? there's been a couple parts of a documentary that's been released. we saw them saying they're going to try to fly the black flag in the white house. we're also seeing these children with this engrained in them to die for their cause and isis thinks these kids are going to be ruling the world. take a listen to part of this documentary. >>> so these guys are morons obviously, mouth breathers were chin beards. but they know what they want. they want something from the united state

interviews too, first of all, equally intriguing, one with the economist magazine and one with tom friedman in which he tried to outline his foreign policy and started with the west point speech thing. >> and he said on syria, he said that thing was a fantasy. and clearly the people in the state department did not think it was a fantasy. so it's just a difference of opinion about whether you could have done something in syria. >> rose: he still believes that, david. >> i'm sure he believes that. and we'll never know. and to her credit, hillary clinton, we've talked about this interview with jeff goldberg is so confrontational am but she's very modest throughout it it's kind of winning interview. i really liked her, after reading it because she's saying of course we'll never knew, coy have been wrong, maybe he was right. she's very human in the way she conducted herself in that interview. >> rose: not only that she pays compliment to him. to watch him in the room, es he smart, he's looking for options. it's a very careful conversation that he leads. >> i suspect there's genuine affection bet

. >> as george pointed out, the president did an interview with tom friedman, columnist for the "new york times," which was very interesting and very wide ranging. in that interview, he said perhaps his biggest foreign policy regret was in libya, that we got involved in toppling gadhafi but didn't have a good answer for what happened next. take a look. >> i think we underestimated, our european partners underestimated the need to come in full force. if you're going to do this, then it's the day after gadhafi is gone. so that's a lesson that i now apply every time i ask the question, should we intervene militarily? do we have an answer the day after? >> jackie, is that sensible caution or is that paralysis by analysis? >> i think he made ron's point, exactly what he said. he's underestimated in libya. i think one of the interesting things is the president has largely followed what the american want on this. they don't want intervention. and yet his polling on foreign policy used to be a huge victory for him. now it's not. now it's down low with obamacare, and it's just striking. they

i mean, tom friedman did a documentary.o i wonder if you could respond a little bit to that and also if you accept that view, the you see opportunity for cooperation between the west and the iran and environmental areas ? >> on surrounding myself i believe the president booktv.org made a mistake at the beginning. he could have had better treatment preventing the crisis. one. second, today the reality is that the assad government is part of unburned integrity have statement and nation of syria. believe it or not, assad today is collapsed. who is going to govern syria who has the better alternative. what is alternative? who is alternative? do we have a united opposition? do we have a united war in syria? the fact is that the army in new and the security establishment of syria still are relatively united. compare syria with iraq. a problem today with iraq. the u.s. made the big mistake to dissolve iraqi security system at the beginning. for ten years the u.s. invested billions of dollars some to educate or to train or to organ

i mean, tom friedman did a documentary. so i wonder if you could respond a little bit to that and also if you accept that view, the you see opportunity for cooperation between the west and the iran and environmental areas ? >> on surrounding myself i believe the president booktv.org made a mistake at the beginning. he could have had better treatment preventing the crisis. one. second, today the reality is that the assad government is part of unburned integrity have statement and nation of syria. believe it or not, assad today is collapsed. who is going to govern syria who has the better alternative. what is alternative? who is alternative? do we have a united opposition? do we have a united war in syria? the fact is that the army in new and the security establishment of syria still are relatively united. compare syria with iraq. a problem today with iraq. the u.s. made the big mistake to dissolve iraqi security system at the beginning. for ten years the u.s. invested billions of dollars some to educate or to train or to org

tom friedman, will testify in calm hours time from now before congress. what are you expecting to hear out of that testimony and in this hearing is. >> i think it could be a little fiery. i'm not sure but i think there's going to be questions about were there any mistakes made, mistakes in the sense that the people react too slowly in some regard with west africa and ebola. i think the question about the two american missionaries coming here, how that whole thing happened, the approvals that may have been required, also the experimental treatment, the experimental serum. there's obviously a lot of scientific medical and ethical issues surrounding that. i think some of those questions may get asked as well. keep in mind, michaela, dr. friedan has been on the hill recently giving some testimony regarding the lapses at the cdc so this is twice in a relatively short time. i don't know that will come up, i'm not sure it's relevant, but you never know with this sort of thing. >> it is relevant only in the respect that what were they in trouble for, the way proc

centers for disease control director tom friedman told me he understands people's fears but really couldn'tted this from happening. >> his organization -- and he, made the decision to come back for care here. they're american citizens. and as long as they can be treated in appropriate isolation without risking others, it would be i think really ethically problematic as well as legally problematic to keep them out. >> reporter: while the two patients may receive some experimental treatments, most of what the emory team will offer is simply supportive care with nov vaccines or real treatment, the best the team can do is keep the patient alive until their body finally hopefully fights off theinfection. megyn. >> john roberts, thank you. >>> coming up next, former president bill clinton facing criticism tonight after a new audiotape emerges of him saying he could have killed osama bin laden but did not. hours after he said that, terrorists hit the world trade center killing nearly 3,000 americans. up next, a man who once led the team trying to go after bin laden and why he says the truth is tim

you spoke with the director of the cdc, tom friedman, today, what'd he have to say?on, and he's told us that already what he's found here is so much worse than what we expected. take a listen to this. >> no one has ever seen an outbreak of ebola like this, with this kind of explosive spread in urban areas. we've seen clusters in hospitals and hundreds of cases in the other outbreaks, but we're in the thousands here. >> reporter: the world health organization has spoken about an underestimation of the death toll. they've also spoken about a secret patient case load. is that the sense you've got here on the ground, that this is actually, it could be so much worse than we know right now? >> it's definitely worse than the total numbers. how much worse, we don't know. but we know that not all the cases have been reported. not all the cases have been diagnosed, not all the cases have been tested. so it's a much bigger problem than anyone anticipated. the world cannot isolate liberia and west africa. that won't help, and it will make it harder to stop the outbreak, and ulti

so what is the tom friedman doctrine?. one is, joe, sometimes the necessary is impossible, or it's impossible at any cost that we are willing to pay. that's number one because basically you are having -- you're seeing states fall apart and i think the only way to really rebuild them is an international force to come in and stay for 20, 30 years, okay. so sometimes the necessary is impossible. and the other point you have to take note of is, number two, is that the two most successful arab spring nations are the two countries we've had nothing to do with. tunisia and kurdistan. we helped the kurds early on but the people there came together in a no vanquish formula and they built the politics that could support a state which we can then come in and support. >> tom, let's talk about another ugly reality we've all had to face over the past decade. i was extraordinarily concerned about -- like i'm sure you were -- what had been going on for egypt for 20, 30 years. they are our closest ally but there are a lot of things that m

tom friedman did documentary around this. so i wonder if you could respond a little bit to that and also if you do accept that view do you see opportunity for cooperation between the west and iran in environmental areas? >> on syria, myself i believe president assad made a mistake at the beginning of the crisis taking the opposition. he could have prevented the crisis, one. second, today the reality is the assad government is part of the integrity of states and nations of syria. believe it or not if assad today collapses who is going to govern syria? who has a better alternative? do we have united opposition? do we have the united -- in syria? the fact is when the army in the security establishments of syria still are powerful, relatively united. compare syria with iraq. what is the problem today with iraq? the u.s. made a big mistake to dissolve iraqi security system at the beginning. for 10 years the u.s. invested billions of dollars to educate or to train or to organize a new security system in iraq and you see that the ar

tom friedman says the cdc is monitoring all of this and public should not worry. >> if they decide to bring the patients back and we will support them. we're confident that can be done without risk of people transporting them or caring for them here. >> reporter: these decisions are being made on a minute-by-minute basis, whether or not they travel and who travels depend how ill the patients are. dr. freeden said, travel is difficult and depending how ill the person is and putting a person on 15 or 16-hour flight could do more harp than good, heather. >> what does samaritan's purse say? >> reporter: samaritan's purse is the organization both medical missionaryies for. everyone knows its director and creator, franklin graham said he is very concerned about the health of these two individuals. samaritan's purse is trying to get out of the country. 40 non-essential personnel he would like to get back to the united states. he assured the public they are taking all precautions. >> people are afraid. but these are american citizens and they want to come home. we're going to help them get ho

tom friedman, center for disease control set to testify this afternoon along with state department andid -- usaid officials. this is just about to get underway. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] >> the subcommittee will come to order. good afternoon to everyone. i called this emergency hearing during recess to address a grave answer is health threat which has in recent weeks ripped the mass media and heighten public fears of an epidemic of the ebola virus. what we hope to gain from today's hearing is a realistic understanding of what we are up against while avoiding sensationalism. ebola is a severe and often fatal disease that first

secondarily, let me quote my friend tom friedman one more time in the article he wrote when you resigned as prime minister. he essentially said to the palestinians, had messages to various people from -- in his excellent column. people may want to look at because but he said if there's no place, quote, if there's no place for a solemn fayad type of leadership and independent palestine will forever allude you. i think we heard today in these comments why tom wrote that and i think a lot of us in this room and perhaps, jane harmon is right. all of us in this room may agree with that. thank you so much for your service and joining the atlantic council. we're delighted that we can work what you. and best of luck to you and your people in the region. thank you. >> thank you. >> in a few moments -- >> sunday, ron paul has written more than a dozen books on politics and history. conversation as he takes your calls and tweets. watch more next week while congress is in recess. book tv in prime time. covering book fairs and festivals from around the country. now a hearing on how transportation sid