. >>> cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes is joining us now. od to have you this morning, tom. the mall of america, we understand, they say in a statement it has implemented extra security precautions and that some will be noticeable to guests and others will not be. what do you think that means? what will those unnoticeable security moves be? >> i think that will include plain clothesed police officers and discrete surveillance coverage and physically and electronically outside the mall in the parking lotting lots and the roads going to the mall. one thing different at the westgate mall attack in kenya is that kenya borders somalia and they have been attacked before and there have been safe houses of al shabab in kenya before and it's very easy for them to get the equipment, the guns, the terrorists across the border into kenya to wage the attack. here, it's a different story. there are no safe houses that we know. there are no identified cases of one of the 27 minneapolis citizens, let's say, that went back to somalia or to join al shabab, and

let's talk about it with bob baer and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. tom, let me begin with you. we heard what the head of counterterrorism at the fbi clearly told our pamela brown. he said a lot more about concerns about teens as young as 15 getting recruited by isis. how does the fbi fight this? >> they are doing what they can. they are trying to do as much outreach in the communities as they can so people will report if they see somebody's social media posting indicating that they want to join the fight or send money or resources to isis to support them in the fight. and, you know so far they have been very successful but as assistant director steinbach mentioned, they are not positive. they know every single person involved. the fbi director a couple of weeks ago publicly stated the fbi has over 1,000 counterterrorism investigations ongoing right now. they are all at different stages of one of them operating overseas. concerned that they were and obviously had enough of a belief that trying to fund and work with terror cells. what's your reaction to

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two questions for you, tom fuentes. are you with me? >> yes, i'm here. >> okay. tom, one, what do you make of the total discrepancy in the suspect's sketch versus the way this woman just described this individual, and, two, if you are trying to negotiate with this individual if you are, you know s.w.a.t. or law enforcement outside and you know this is a young man, does that change things? >> well first of all, what changes things in my mind is the confusion over the description of the suspect and who did what is it the person who actually did the shooting or maybe was along for the ride with the shooter and is essentially a witness. so i think it would make the police much more cautious to not shoot this individual you mow, unless he started shooting at them because he may not be the right person. so i think there's enough discrepancy in all of the events from the beginning of this thing there has been -- the story has been changing almost daily or hourly and i think that creates a huge problem for the police and how they handle it. if they know they've got this p

. >>> we have with us erin mcpike and tom fuentes. hearing, if anything, from homeland security? >> homeland security secretary jay johnson is scheduled to make the rounds on the major sunday morning programs several hours from now and certainly will be asked about these threats. i also reached out to the national security council at the white house late last night and as soon as we hear anything, we will let you know. the mall facing threats are beefing up their security. mall of america said overnight, quote, we take any potential threat seriously and respond appropriately. we have implemented extra security precautions and some may be noticeable to guests and others won't be. also the west edmondton mall said it is aware of a video that was recently released which included a mention of the mall. we will continue to monitor events with the help of federal and local law enforcement agencies. we will continue to follow the situation, along with law enforcement and will remain vigilant as we always do in similar situations. now, at thi

joining us now on the phone is our law enforcement analyst, a former fbi assistant director, tom fuentesevelopment that is "le monde" is now reporting, 13 separate cell phones were used by the terrorists involved in these two attacks, one on a wednesday at the magazine, one on friday at that kosher supermarket. your reaction to this new information? >> i would have expected that the diligent investigation on the part of the french would eventually find this kind of information if it existed. they would do an exhaustive research of the french phone companies trying to look at phone numbers and phone accounts that could be attributed to either one. and in this case they determined that amedy coulibaly obtained 13 phone numbers and the investigation discovered that it seemed like they were dedicated for use for these attacks. they had six text messages that were exchanged between coulibaly and sharif kouachi. and it appears they met the night before the "charlie hebdo" attack and exchanged a text message in the morning one hour before the attack. >> so obviously -- we had known the wives ha

tom fuentes, you are a trained forensic expert over at the fbi.ed at the still pictures the still photos that isis released of this building where they claim that jordan attacked that building dropped a bomb there and killed this young american woman. when you look at the rubble you look at the damage tell our viewers why you are skeptical of the isis assertions. >> i went to many sites of building bombings bombs from the air or bombs from the ground and that building if it was bombed yesterday, it would still be smoking. usually the smoldering and smoke coming out of a bombed building will last for days, sometimes even weeks. so this picture, that might have been bombed in an air strike but that air strike was not a recent air strike. >> yeah. it looks really suspicious because there is no smoke coming up. if that bombing occurred this morning, it would last for several days at least some sort of smoke, right? >> exactly right. >> that's why you're suspicious of that. mr. chairman congressman, you agree with that analysis, right? >> absolutely be

. >>> cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes joins us from washington.ish police are looking into this as an act of terror. do you know if they had any indication there was in the works? >> i don't think they had any indication. they were obviously worried about the possibility because lars vilks who traveled to the convention from sweden have been under death threats for years and plots already of an american women was trying to put a team together and go to stockholm and cut this throat while he was in his home. he has been under this threat and under protection. he had bodyguards there from the danish intelligence service, as well as police who were apparently manning some type of security checkpoint for people entering to attend the conference, approximately 50 attendees so they definitely thought it was a possibility, but i don't think they knew there was an absolute plot or they would have thwarted it before it got this far. >> interesting the level of security was there and they screened people inside yet they hold it in front of a cafe or inside

. >> i want to bring in tom fuentes to talk more about this. hello, tom.hat tape? do you see excessive force here? >> no, from what i saw on that tape, i don't see excessive force. what people don't realize is that when the subject refuses to comply with a lawful police order, that starts the acceleration of the confrontation and the potential for violence to occur. if you have a moving violation, the illegal turn, the police officer makes the traffic stop, walks up and normal procedure would be, the person would roll their window down, the officer would ask for driver's license, registrati registration, telling the person why the stop was made. i've been in that situation about 1,000 times. on many of those occasions, the smell of marijuana comes pouring out of the car when the window comes down. now the officer knows that he has a little more of a difficult situation. he's probably going to want to search that vehicle for the marijuana. and the person possibly might be impaired and driving under the influence of the marijuana. so he's going to ask the in

talk more about this with cnn law enforcement analyst and former assistant director of the fbi, tom fuentesalso joined by john mcgau. he's the former director of the u.s. secret service. thank you for being with me this morning. >> good morning. >> tom, u.s. authorities and british authorities aren't confirming this man's identity. why? >> well normally because he's a british subject, you know the british are very conservative and in revealing the identity of any suspect or subject of their investigation. it's kind of common practice for them. i think they probably are not stunned that the information got out but in a way would probably prefer that it hadn't because they want to try to track him in the hopes that maybe he'll communicate with a former classmate or friend in brittain and they can intercept an e-mail or some other communication from him and this just alerts everybody that knows him even on the periphery to just you know be careful of your communications. they could be monitored. >> yeah but still, john this is like the worst kept secret ever because i think that many many peop

tom fuentes, if you could weigh in on this. this is a bizarre situation, six different crime scene, including the car in which this perpetrator killed himself after exacting this carnage. and then this odd circumstance about one woman dying of natural causes in one of the homes and four other homes with dead people in each one. does this mat earn tell you anything or is there going to be an extremely long investigative process? >> it could be a long one. it will take a while to put it together and a number of agencies have to work together because these are rural counties. you're not going to have the array of crime scene investigators, evidence technicians to process all of these crime scenes simultaneously unless you get help from neighboring counties, the state police and maybe even the fbi if they ask for the help. now, the jurisdiction or the control will still rest with texas toint. i'm assuming the town of tyrone may not have a police department. it may be patrolled by the county sheriff's office. so the sheriff of texas

i want to bring back our former fbi assistant director tom fuentes, retired colonel rick francona.ick, i don't understand it. i don't claim to understand it. but we're hearing these new cases that happen every week about young people who are being recruited and making their way over to join in this battle. i mean how do we explain this? >> it's baffling to me. and especially in light of what we've seen over the past couple of weeks. after the burning of the jordanian pilot and the reported burning of these 45 iraqi security officials in anbar province you would think that that would revile so many people that it would hurt recruiting efforts. yet we're seeing the exact opposite. we're seeing people flock to this organization. it must be the draw that these people feel that this is the pure islam and this is what i want to be a part of. but to me it's just counter intuitive. i can't explain it. >> tom, in light of the fact that you've got this recruitment that is happening here a lot of propaganda particularly online here this would seem to me -- if it's working, seems to be working

the risk of instability and extremism grow. >> we're back with tom fuentes and peter bergen.what do you think, the point the president is trying to make there? >> i think if he's going to raise a point about what makes them angry, the terrorists how about the fact that we're there? we have heard this since bin laden talked about it in 1991 when we assembled and led a coalition to kick saddam hussein out of kuwait. that started the whole argument. all of these infidels on sacred soil and we haven't left. we continue these wars we continued again with the iraq invasion in 2003. we are on their soil shooting their people allegedly good or bad people but we are there and they don't like it and they are never going to like it. >> you know the argument that these al qaeda/isis guys make all the time is that the americans, they are the crusaders, the infidels they went into holy territory in saudi arabia for example, they had military bases there, and that's why they have to lead this jihad against america. >> well that is their argument but they are silent on issues for instance wh

and our cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director.what are you hearing about the arrests of these three men in new york? i just want to point out that deborah feyerick our reporter in new york is inside that federal courthouse in brooklyn right now. we are told it's basically over. she is going to be emerging any minute now. we will get the very latest report from her. but what are you hearing about what's going on here? >> clearly, this was a long term ongoing investigation by the fbi and their hand was forced. when the guy heads off to jfk airport and they are going to otherwise lose the opportunity to arrest him, they have to bring the investigation to a conclusion. no doubt when your hand is forced you always wanted it to go on longer if possible so you could collect additional evidence against these guys and also to try and identify others that they might have been in contact, both around the world, inside isis and here at home. so you know these guys do not look like the a-team but it doesn't really matter. if they had the inten

. >> joining me now, former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. , we're learning now that these girl ss could be headed to isis. this composite at the same time we've got this very disturbing very alarming report out of the united nations describing the horrors that women and children are facing under isis. and i just want to tick off a few of them you see there. women and children sold as sex slaichs. many children sexually assaulted in prisons. parents being forced to give their children to isis and children being used as suicide bombers. i don't understand for the life of me why anybody voluntarily would be a part of this group. what do we make of this? if this is really happening in this poortart of the world, this is absolutely tragic. >> suzanne, that's true terribly tragic. we've had the three young girls from colorado that wanted to join, were intercemented in europe and brought back by the fbi. it appears by the debriefings of some of these girl theys ear attracted to this macho, tough guy, cool guy, they're so strong behead people burn me

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tom fuentes is joining us.l us what happened here. >> well wolf the fbi started looking at this immediately after the shooting. that's something that we didn't know how much of this they had actually done. and then they stopped when the state of florida decided to prosecute george zimmerman and began again after he was acquitted in 2013. so they've had this case for three years. they interviewed 75 witnesses and reviewed everything that the state presented and in the end they couldn't get enough evidence to find that he knew he was breaking the law, that he -- beyond a reasonable doubt is what the standard here is that he knew he was breaking the law and he intended to violate the civil rights of trayvon martin. >> the trayvon martin family issued a statement. they were disappointed although grateful that the justice department went through this process but it is a very high bar the justice department has to cross over in order to file civil rights charges after an acquittal in the case. >> that's true wolf. yo

let's get more with james reese, tom fuentes, philip mudd and peter bergen. sistant director of the fbi. how concerned should americans be about going to the local mall? >> i think they should go ahead and go. the security measures that are ramped up are going to be adequate. al shabab is putting out threats that they can't carry out long distance. they might be able to inspire a lone wolf. but that could happen anywhere. >> could they commit a massive attack on a mall along the scale of what they clearly did in kenya? >> no. they border the country of kenya. they were able to sneak shooters to conduct the attack. it was four that conducted the attack. it should not have resulted in as many deaths except the kenyan authorities stood around for ten hours deciding what to do before they entered the mall. many victims bled to death. they that would never happen here. the training practice preparation, discipline and the leadership at all levels federal, state and local, it would not be duplicated here. >> more than 60 people were killed at that mall in kenya. phi

let's bring in jeffrey toobin tom fuentes and don lemon. in ferguson don. was your reaction to the news that one of the fires in the wake of the michael brown grand jury decision could this cause even more unrest? what do you think? >> it could. we know it's a tinder box there. i don't think it should. i think anyone who burns someone's business down or tries to take someone's livelihood or take lives, they should be prosecuted prosecuted. i don't think it should cause unrest. they should be prosecuted. >> tom, from a law enforcement standpoint the timing of this is significant. it has taken a while. what do you think in. >> in this case where you have eyewitnesses who actually see the individual trying to light the fire use an accelerant they put out the fire to save the business and save their own lives, since they were inside i think it's at the point where they were able to bring the indictment they brought it. >> legally, obviously, it doesn't surprise you that they are doing this. maybe there's going to be more indictments down the ro

let's bring back the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and coy barefoot. remind our viewers what led up to this point. this is an extremely unusual case isn't it? >> reporter: it is, wolf. listen there's so many moving parts to this story. but here's the takeaway from today and here's what people need to understand. jesse matthew objected hannah graham he stole her from her family and from this community. he brutally murdered hannah graham and dumped her body like it was nothing but garbage in the woods south of charlottesville. that's what police investigators and prosecutors believe what happened the night hannah graham disappeared. this coming friday night, it will be five months since hannah graham was last seen in downtown charlottesville, barely able to stand on her own in the clutches of jesse matthew and her remains were found five weeks later. and ever since she went missing, we've wanted two things. we've wanted to know what happened to her and we've wanted justice if any crimes were committed. and what we know today that we didn't know yesterday

i want to bring in tom fuentes to get reaction to this. we've heard a few reports of this, tom.a cnn law enforcement analyst, i want to get your thoughts to how long they may have actually been trying to track these guys or watching their actions or listening in on their actions or reading their texts, tweets or e-mails before they actually closed in and took them in. >> well, that could be from a few days to a few months. you just don't know. i think what happens is that the fbi is looking at currently over 1,000 current counterterrorism investigations. and many of them start with somebody looking at social media, calls the fbi or calls the police and says, hey, take a look at this guy, we're seeing something suspicious, they informed the authorities and it kind of starts from there. when they see people communicating with each other, especially if there's a small group and they start e-mailing or calling on the phones, then they start the investigation to see if it's just all talk or whether they start to get serious about it. once they start booking travel and talking to othe

the former fbi assistant director tom fuentes.heard mo talk about his friend and the friend he loves. he had come by as recently last week. this is over a parking space. is that a ridiculous thing to say. >> we don't know that yet. first of all, my condolences go out to the family. deah and his wife and his wife's sister seem like the perfect americans. this is such a tragedy. if i could say very close to the investigation. the fbi is assisting chapel hill. they've asked for help to make sure every lead gets covered in a timely and diligent manner. they are pursuing the aspect of not just that we have a triple homicide here and they want to be able to have all the evidence of that. pursuing the possibilities of hate crime in every possible way. the police there don't want anybody to think that they're bias against bringing hate crime charges or because they're muslim they won't get a diligent investigation on their behalf. they are and they will. it's in progress now. >> a local official says they don't believe there was any activ

also our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director and former u.s.harmon was the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee and is now president and ceo of the wilson center here in washington. evan what are you learning about the hunt for the so-called jihadi john mohammad emwazi the revelation of his identity? how is all that playing? >> reporter: well the fbi played a big role in trying to gather the intelligence you know working with british authorities as well to try to get, they are trying to build a case just in case they can try to bring him to justice in the future. they interviewed a lot of the former isis captives people who have been ransomed people who have been released and conducted all those interviews to try to gather any intelligence they could. what's interesting is that if you remember several months ago there was an attempt to carry out a rescue of several of the american captives being held by isis and some of the intelligence that led to that rescue came from these interviews by the fbi and at the time they also thought tha

. >>> we want to bring in tom fuentes, our cnn lawn enforcement analyst and daveed gartenstein-ross senior fellow for the defense of democracies, thanks for being here. tom, lent me start with you. let's talk about what we know now about jihadi john. this seems as though it's a big investigative coup, that investigators have figured out he's mohammed emwazi growing up in west london. how would they have gone about piecing together his identity? >> i think they were able to find people in london that knew him. knew of his travel there. and his intention to join isis and eventually revealed that to the authorities. >> daveed here are some things we know. the bbc and the "washington post" are reporting his real identity they've done the background research into what exactly he is. he is a brit, he is allegedly from a well-to-do family. he grew up in west london he graduated from college, he graduated with a degree if computer programming. does this fit the mold of what we think about isis fighters? or does it break the mold? >> there's various molds. i wouldn't say that you have a single demo

place in our society, and so it's a careful balance, but i want to ask you about something else tom fuentese piece with lars vilks a few years ago, he was looking at his phone and looking at the death threats coming in at realtime. given what happened today in copenhagen is it possible that you know, they mayment to mentwant to look at lars vilks' phone and other phones in the area to trace back attackers where they might be located? is that possible? >> yes, they'll absolutely be looking at all the phones call and text messages and social media, looking at every possible security camera on every building in the downtown area and along that subway system to see, you know more information about the two guys that walked away from the shooting, but in my opinion, he's a dead man walking. there's going to come a time they get him. it's just a matter of time, i think, unfortunately as terrible as it is to say, al qaeda has shown over the decades they don't quit. you know, when they tried to hit world trade center one in 1993 when he was apprehended, he said, we'll get it eventually and they did.

and one-tom fuentes, arrests like these come from just one of roughly 1,000 open terror investigationspamela brown talked to the head of counter-terrorism at the fbi about how difficult it can be to track down potentially dangerous terror targets particularly how easy it is to recruit using social media. >> fredericka we got a rare chance to sit down and talk with the man leading the fbi's counter-terrorism efforts and he shared disturbing insight how isis is reaching into american homes to find their newest recruits and their next victims. of all the weapons used by terrorists one of the most dangerous is social media. >> they're using it successfully to spot assess identify target folks outside car zones. they're using it in europe and the united states. >> when you say target folks, how young are we talking? >> we've seen across the globe kids as young as 13 recruited by isil. >> 13. >> 13. >> are they in direct in some cases with isis militants overseas in syria reaching out to them directly? >> what we've seen is individuals in syria reaching directly into the united states starti

let's bring in your law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, and joining us from college, our cnn security and intelligence analyst bob baer. let's talk about the hunt the hunt for jihadi john as he's called. we're learning a lot more about this guy. he doesn't necessarily fit the pattern of someone who was isolated, poor, didn't have a job. he was pretty sophisticated, highly educated came from a relatively upper middle class background. >> i agree, wolf. i think too much has been said by the administration and many people trying to create a profile of only the down-and-out only the people that can't get jobs or are uneducated join isis or join the extremist terrorists around the world. we've seen example after example of well-educated people joining who really believe that's the fundamental true religion that they're signing up for. now, granted, many of them are garden variety psychopaths on top of that and enjoy the killing they're doing. but there's a basis for that thinking as hole. we cannen pigeonhole the people who join isis as just the downtrodden. >> a lot of soul searching in t

. >>> let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes and cnn military annist lieutenant general mark hertling. general, i want to start with you and the discussion of the negotiations for this pilot. what kind of back channel discussions could the jordanian government be involved with isis? is there maybe liaison working here? are they having direct talks? how does it work? >> there would certainly be interlockers, victor. i think they are continuing to attempt to discuss the things that jordan is very interested in and that is primary the safety of their pilot. they have to find that out. again, it's dealing with an organization that you can't trust. so there has to be some kind of commitment that the continuing negotiation will bring about some kind of change, victor. >> general, this new video of the beheading of kenji goto, the background different from the earlier ones. earlier, there was this video that was indoors with goto holding the photo of the other man who was beheaded. what can we learn from this latest video and does it mean anything to the negotiations with jorda

we have tom fuentes with us. i want to talk about the uniforms in a moment.s. from bosnia. this is a country that for most people is new to this conversation, maybe not for those in the law enforcement community. are you surprised by that? >> no, victor, i'm not. the country of bosnia might be new but bosnians are not new. isis has recruited people to assist them or go fight and join them from 50 different countries around the world including asia, including eastern and western europe, including north america, australia, so this is nothing new that you could have a group of individuals from a particular country get involved and come up on fbi radar trying to support isis. >> reuters reported this week that the isis flag was spotted in a small town in bosnia and was immediately taken down. a community, a small but growing community there of those who follow wahabism. the u.s. yunl form also they said they were providing, is this because in your opinion that that's what was available? or do you believe that there could possibly be some other plan here to infilt

army major general james marks and former fbi assistant tom fuentes.ave a lot of development in the war on terror to talk about this morning. general, i want to start with what the president of egypt talked about. he's calling for an arab coles to fight isis. let me read to you exactly what president el-sisi has said. he says the need for a unified arab force is growing. the challenges in the region and facing our countries are huge chals. we can overcome those challenges once we are together. clearly, that is the answer. is there any possibility of that happening, general? >> well it's about time. i mean frankly this is what we have been calling for, for the longest time. with the acknowledgement that if bother on the ground were to be used and clearly there is a need for soldiers on the ground that it would probably have to be led by somebody other than the united states and for presidentel-sisi to come on board and say enough is enough. let me let egypt be the central core point and join a force around it and physical out how to use that force. deta

let me bring in cnn's law enforcement analyst, tom fuentes, from washington. these arrests or these subjects. but to hear that some are from bosnia or at least bosnian immigrants how does that strike you? >> fredricka, it doesn't strike me as that unusual, simply because you've had people from over 50 countries travel to syria and iraq to join isis already. so in this case if they were bosnian in the united states but yet still wanted to join and provide support, even if it was by financial or help recruit or whatever it's not that unusual that it would be you know -- we have people from asia north america, europe australia, that have gone to join isis. so bosnia is yet one more country and it's been the site of a great deal of strf over the decades. >> so these men have been charged with supporting terror -- terrorists overseas or terrorist operations overseas. what kind of activity does that imply they may have been engaging in? >> that can imply they were trying to recruit people to actually go and join. or that they were trying to fund-raise whether it be

let me bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes.enforcement? we're talking about a federal city and you've got federal law enforcement and you've got local law enforcement. is this going to be complicated? >> yes, fredricka, it's going to be complicated, because the district of columbia is not a state. so the administration the obama administration has you know reduced the efforts, let's say, or held back on enforcing some of the federal laws of marijuana into states that have legalized, but they're states. so you know, has that position. but in the case of the district of columbia it's not a state. it's more like a colony belonging to congress. so you have these members of congress making threats against the mayor, threatening to put her in jail. you know threatening to take action. using a law called the deficiency act, which says that they need permission in the district of columbia to spend money and -- excuse me the district was not appropriated to spend money to allow marijuana to be grown or to be used recreationally. so it's

louis alderman antonio french don lemon, tom fuentes and jeffrey toobin.in what it means for the ferguson police department to be complying with the justice department? cot justice department still sue? what's going on? >> certainly, the threat of a lawsuit is what's hanging over this whole situation. clearly, the justice department believes that there are certain policies in place in ferguson that are racially discriminatory. we don't know all the details, because the suit hasn't been filed. but there's been a lot of investigation. and in these situations which happen with some regularity cincinnati new orleans have all been sued for these sorts of issues. is the training racially discriminatory? are there policies about whom to arrest and when that are discriminatory? are any of the people at the top -- should they be removed? all of these issues are up for debate and possibly settlement in advance of a lawsuit. but if the justice department isn't satisfied with the changes that ferguson is prepared to make they will sue and get a judge to force it or a

let's bring in pamela brown, tom fuentes. what are you learning?ially announced that they are launching this inquiry into whether the murders violated hate crime laws and we're getting a statement from the attorney general. this statement says that he pledges the full resources of the department of justice to help ensure justice will be served in the case. he goes on to say, protecting the safety and security and civil rights of this country is and must remain a top priority. we will never waiver in this commitment and going forward we pledge to stand with the families of these three remarkable young people. again, the department of justice opening up this preliminary inquiry, which is just a civil rights investigation. this has been ongoing from a very early on to see whether hicks did violate hate crime laws. sources tell me partner evan perez that there are no indications that investigators have gathered so far indicating this was a hate crime. but again, it's ongoing and very preliminary. wolf? >> you know tom, you are a former fbi assistant di

. >> tom fuentes, i have heard this a lot that sometimes a gang member goes to jail -- in this particulardividual this suspect was in jail for stabbing someone, serving time and becomes radicalized while in prison. you have heard that? >> it's common here in the united states. we have had people get radicalized. it's happened a lot. not only that they join a gang -- they get brought into some organization. in some cases another gang. in some cases it's a religious organization some cases christian, some cases extreme islam. we have seen that. >> i want everybody to stand by, because we have more to go through. we're getting new video of a train derailment right now. look at this. a state of emergency now in two counties. we will tell you what we know. look at the pictures that are coming in to "the situation room" right now. wow. more on this when we come back. doug, we have the results, but first, we have a very special guest. come on out, flo! [house band playing] you have anything to say to flo? nah, i'll just let the results do the talking. [crowd booing] well, he can do that. we show

peter bergen and tom fuentes, a former fbi assistant director.n are these kinds of raids and the fact that very often they do fail? >> the military will do them when ordered. the techniques they use are wonderful. i have watched them at fort bragg and watch the s.e.a.l.s as well. they can't be beaten in the field of battle but it's always the intelligence because there is no way to absolutely confirm the hostages are where they are going when they are making the raid. that's why they are reluctant to do it usually because the intelligence is not good enough not because of soldiering. >> because you really risk those american lives going in for a raid if the intelligence isn't good. there could be a trap. that certainly is the highest concern. general, you suggested to us yesterday you thought when the president was speaking about the failed raid he was maybe giving away too much information to the terrorists out there. i want you to elaborate and explain what you mean. >> let me jump into what bob just said first, if i can. over a 15-month period

let's dig deeper with our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, former fbi assistant director and our. you have been following this story very closely. what's the latest information you're hearing? >> you know u.s. intelligence and law enforcement is still looking for any proof that indeed, what isis says that they are done which is kill this hostage, whether that is indeed true. they have some normal intelligence sources that they usually see turn up things for example, if they killed a hostage, they filmed it they produced videos. they haven't been able to identify anything yet that proves that she is indeed dead. >> we do know there was a special operations unit that tried to rescue james foley, the american hostage who was later beheaded tried to -- and they found some hair in this area where they went in the dna from the hair showed it was the hair of this young woman. could that at all be helpful in the search for her, maybe assuming hopefully she is still alive? >> well it's helpful to show she was with the other group of hostages they were all together. the rescue attempt came

let's get more with tom fuentes, bob baer our national security analyst peter bergen.omen, children the elderly, what is going on right now? are they trying to send a message to all christians in syria and iraq and throughout the middle east get out? we're coming after you. >> indeed they are. we have seen a great number of christians leaving iraq as a result of the civil war. we have seen them leaving syria. what's interesting from an islamic perspective is that christians are people of the book. they're not like the yazidis who muslims regard as a cult. isis is embarking on something that it would be enormously controversial in the islamic world, if they did murder these christians. >> it's a terrible situation. my heart goes out to the christians. it's not isolated. it's happening in bigger numbers than any of us anticipated and hundreds of thousands of christians have fled the areas. they are refugees in various countries. there's another very disturbing story, tom, you have been following in bangladesh. an american was there promoting human rights if you will. he

. >> let's bring in law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes. is a quote, russia to conduct a prompt and impartial and transparent investigation of nemtsov's murder. is that even a realistic request? >> victor, my opinion we shouldn't be making any requests of along those lines. we have no interest in that. it's an internal russian matter. i think we should stay out of it. >> why? >> why should we? why should we get involved? we had a high profile murder in the united states we wouldn't appreciate putin telling our government make sure you do a transparent investigation. so why should we weigh in on every problem like that when it's not in the u.s. interest to do it. >> okay. let's move on to what nemtsov said himself when he sat down for dinner with anthony bourdain last year. >> critics of the government, critics of putin, bad things seem to happen to them. >> yes. unfortunately represent let i say russia old 19th century. not of 21st. >> critics of putin beware. one accused putin of corruption and wound up spending 10 years in prison and labo

mark potak, a senior fellow the at sovereign poverty law center and cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes good to see both of you. tom, let me begin with you. hasn't the threat of homegrown terrorism been a primary concern, especially since oklahoma city and tim they mcveigh the unabomber, hate groups that have been in this country a long time what is different now? >> well they have been for a long time and i think just the rise of other organizations that they look at as enemies of them may be stirring increased membership but, you know, the fbi has been fighting kkk for about 100 years. >> right. >> and back in the '80s and '90s, fighting groups like, you know arian nation and a group called the order who were white supremacist groups and the interesting thing there is that in two months, will be the 070th anniversary of the death of adolf hitler and yet naziism is alive and well in many places in the united states and in europe still, and that's without benefit of the nazis did not have the internet and hitler wrote one lousy book compared to what we're facing with other groups. in th