tonight we are joined by tom ginsberg the purpose of international law at the wall schoolawschool that is graciousy presenting the program please join me in welcoming them now. [applause] without further ado i thought i would plunge into the question alternating between the judge and the biographer. when you were at the age of some of the people in this room as an undergraduate and the biography tells us you were a fabulous scholar interested in literatu literature, what made you decide to go to law school clinics debate co? >> it was always the default graduate choice for a college graduate and my father was a lawyer and i gave some thought to going to graduate school and decided it wasn't for me so i don't think that i could consider anything else. >> harvard law school seems to have a formative impression on you i suppose and launch your trajectory. can you tell us about the academic experience? >> it's mixed, but they did something clever. they stacked their best teachers into the first year of law school, so that was very clever, got a good start. the second and third years were n