he joins us on skype from hong kong, tom grundy. what does this news tell us about the state of democracy in hong kong? while the significance of the civil spring can be underestimated really, it was behind the biggest protests in history in the city, estimates of a 1000000 people, you know, in the streets, in the city of 7000000. it's huge. you like democracy, mar, tooth. so much of it's 19 years were a barometer, a public sentiment when people don't have a voice at the ballot box, they were often a carnival, a colorful sort of parade, a very peaceful of different civil society groups and liberal causes from migrant workers to unions to you know, take the dolphins, you, you name it, and it was a big fundraising day as well. so it's absence will very much be felt. i think one of the reasons this coalition, in particular was important is that it brought everybody onto the streets, young and old, because they always had the cooperation of the, for the police to put on a peaceful. marge, what's the dynamic here that's made people i gue