he had no empathy for himself. >> what about tom hayden. >> i don't understand tom. ted, i can understand. i don't understand tom. he is -- i don't regret a minute of the 17 years we were together. and we have a wonderful son. but i don't know why he is the way he is. >> and if you had a conversation with him today,ou would not be able to -- >> i wouldn't know where to start. >> when you were 50 he came and said he was in love with another woman. >> yeah, on my birthday. he was brave. i would never have had the guts to do it. it was not a good marriage. he was brave to do it. >> but you admired him because of his intellect because he was -- because you believed in his principals. >> yeah. >> you learn a lot from everybody. i mean you are a learner. >> i am. >> you really are. >> that's why i love to write because i love to study and drill down into things. and i really think -- you know, men, men have read this book and oh, my god this is for men too. and 40-year-olds have read it. >> it's about living your life to the fullest and understanding that everything needs