. >> i know in your book, steven, you have a wonderful quote from tom hayden who was married to janefonda and the mentor who worried out loud that when people attach themselves to celebrities, you are getting them as fans rather than as citizens. he was arguing against celebrities 37 >> no, he was arguing both ways. he was stumped because we were talking about if celebrity politics good or bad for democracy? that's really the question we want to be getting at here, not left and right, and i agree. those distinctions have created more trouble than they've created hope and change. instead we ask what can we do to improve democracy in america? you know, i asked him, so, you know, you've been married to a celebrity. in the end, do you think celebrity helps or hinders democracy? he said it cuts both ways. he said, on one hand, with jane and i would go out on the road with the committee for economic democracy, ced, that was active here in the very late 70s and early 80s, we would bring, you know, a lot of the brat pack when they came on the road with us, and we would get 20,000-40,000 peop