i'm joined by tom hayden. good to have you.ssue is with no draft there's no skin in the game for so many people. right? the fact is that the burden is being borne by so few among us. >> well, there were big demonstrations against iraq and there was no draft. there were 600,000 as you showed on your screen, 10 seconds ago. there was a big anti-war -- >> not in comparison to the 60s. >> we can make these comparisons, but look. we have to use our brains. it's obvious that this war is rapidly developing. people have to think about it. if the president says there's no military solution and he also says it's going to be a war that lasts beyond his presidency, i can guarantee you there will be a big anti-war movement. >> is part of the problem, a lack of protest standpoint, that there is not access, say, in syria. journalists need to be concerned that they be beheaded if they were on the front lines of this conflict and so perhaps americans at home are not seeing it the way it's playing out. >> that's a big problem. i know a lot about

questions about what's going on between the united states and isis joining me now for more on this is tom hayden director of the peace and justice resource center former california state senator and author of numerous books including inspiring participatory democracy student movements from port huron to today tom hayden welcome back to. nice to be with. thanks nice to see you although the circumstances are rather grim when james foley was killed on least a chorus of hawks calling for more action against isis what do you expect the apparent killing of stephen salam of the. well we're certainly going to war with isis one way or the other i think. a couple of my friends were very close to james foley and thought of him as a really great guy and. he was planning to. not go back to the war zone he was. a humanitarian he everybody loved him. he was a close friend of the director of my teenage son's school. when you hear these stories really. is really really disturbing it gets you get to in the heart. one thing i would say assuming that the second beheading is. an accurate story is that we have to ret