well, we asked the director, tom holman tonight about the difference in operating in a jurisdiction thatice detainers and works with federal law enforcement when it comes to immigration policy and what it's like to try to operate in a community that does not work with ice. here's what what that risk puts to law enforcement and the public. >> when they get released without our attention, they're back in the streets. so, now we got to go find the individual many times we don't know where they are and the recidivism rate is between 30 and 40 percent. they're going to commit a crime in many cases and now we got to send a team out to look for these people in a less secure environment out in the public. >> reporter: you know, the rub here, though, is that while this debate has raged over illegal immigration in this country, you talk to the experts, the people who are on the front lines of trying to enforce the laws, they will tell you many of the victims of these illegal street gangs are immigrant populations themselves. some of the groups that they run into are the most of the arrests in this

i'll finish up by saying i had the opportunity to work with tom holman who is the acting director of ice. he is a career ice guy. he's a straight shooter. i'm a great deal of respect for him. i think he will try -- he understands that there is nothing of value that comes out of those kind of press releases. we've honored a number of detainers ice notified and i didn't show up in years past, dozens of times they didn't show up. should we be releasing these press releases that say we held some guy and they didn't show up so we had to release them? there is no value in that. were heading down the wrong path with his name in same strategy. i hope that goes way. i'll finish up by saying that director holman has assured me, and i believe him, but they understand their sensitive location, hospitals, schools, churches, courthouses that they are not doing random seats. they will not target people at those locations. however, in courthouses, he said , if we had an individual that we are looking for and we have no other way of finding him and we know they will be in court, yes, we will be at th

now i'll finish up by saying that i've had the opportunity to work with tom holman, who was the acting director of i.c.e. he is a career i.c.e. guy. he's a straight shooter and i have a great deal of respect for him. he understands that there's nothing of value that comes out of those kinds of press releases. i -- we've honored a number of detainers for ice, notified someone was being released and i.c.e. didn't show up in the past, dozens of times, should we be releasing praes releases saying i.c.e. didn't show up and so we had to release them. so i hit the that the nanl and shame strategy is no good and i hope it goes away. i'll finish up by saying that director holman has assured me -- and i believe him, that they understand their sensitive locations, hospitals, schools, churches, courthouses that they are not doing random sweeps, they will not target people at those locations. however, in courthouses he has said that if we have an individual who we're looking for and we have no other way of finding them but we know they're going to court, yes, we will go to the courthouse and wait f

tom, thank you. it's sort of the worldwide issue -- >> that may -- >> a spectacular piece that holman jenkins wrote todaystreet journal" -- >> have you met brett stevens -- >> i haven't met him. >> have you seen this? >> and it's worth reading -- >> you're losing subscribers because you hire guys that -- >> but -- >> you're losing subscribers. why did you hire him? >> because you want to have all sides of the story. >> you don't need flakes that deny science. >> you want all sides of the story -- >> did he believe in evolution, for god sakes? >> very complicated issue, and people need to be out there to discuss it on all sides. >> i love brett stevens, i'd say he's almost worked his way over to being "new york times." >> oh -- >> he has. >> well he didn't like trump. >> oh, my gosh. anyway coming up the palestinian authority, president mahmoud abbas will meet with president trump today for the first time discussing a path forward in the long-running palestinian/israeli conflict as well as other issues in the middle east. former senate majority leader special envoy for the middle east peace under presiden