michelle genne and inspector tom kean. we will review and make declarations at that time. expert witnesses. who will address the experts for the mayor? >> this is a lot of experts for this issue. i know you submitted this prayer to some of the briefing. does anybody become unnecessary in light of sloot recent briefing and your investigation or do you intend to call these experts? >> we would still intend to call these experts and i can do a brief explanation of why. chairperson hur: yes, please. >> there have been many others who have been disciplined but not terminated on the basis of criminal conduct. mr. chinako is a consulting experts. he could speak to that issue. he could speak to how is this -- it is the sheriff should be treated under his own disciplinary section. chiel landstone is being offered as a law enforcement officer who teaches an ethics course at the professional association for law enforcement. and law enforcement and ethics for chiefs. this is germane and he has the expertise to give it. chairperson hur: we have heard from mr. keith earlier. >> she is h

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