sponsor of that toomey bill to avoid a default, california republican and budget committee member tom mcclintock. tom, good to see you. if your bill had passed, then by law obama wouldn't be pointing fingers about defaults and so forth. now why is it democrats don't like your bill, and two years ago didn't like pat toomey's bill? what's up with that? >> because they want to use a credit default as a threat. and it's an irresponsible threat for all the reasons you've been discussing. but it's interesting. the law that establishes the department of the treasury that goes back to 1789 already gives the treasury secretary the responsibility and the authority to manage the public revenues and to protect the public credit. in the mean 80s, the government accountability group says that the treasury department has the authority to manage payments to assure that debt is always paid first. >> in other words, they already have the authority. so that undercuts obama's position even more. i mean, for him to point the finger of a default, he may as wellpoint the finger at his own treasury, because they have t

. >> we reached to congressman tom mcclintock who told us he tried to pass a piecemeal bill to reopen national parks. that was never put to a vote in u.s. senate. we are looking 2-3 months before the next deadline. i am sure you are wondering what will happen then; right? >> yes. yes i'm sort of disappointed he still voted against - or voted against reopening government yesterday. considering how much harm it puts on us. there's a lot of locals. we've been talking. we are worried about the next round. i mean, what is going to happen? how far are they going to take it, and i don't think any of us are ready for next round. so we are worried. we are worried. >> doug, we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. douglas shaw in california. good luck to you. >> thank you so much. >>> well, loggers around the country are getting back to work. some sooner than expected. a judge in organ ruled that logging companies can resume operations on federal lands immediately. that means they don't have to wait for written permission from washington. during the shutdown members of the timber indust

can do is every day send from the house to the senate the full faith and credit act authored by tom mcclintocke house and pat toomey in the senate, california and pennsylvania. and all it says is we have got a lot of revenues pouring. in first call on the revenues goes to debt service. so you cannot default. >> bret: on the public opinion though, people look at $17 trillion in debt and they think raising the debt ceiling and it just does not really fly when you look at polls. if you are going to look at polls at shutting down the government, the polls on the debt ceiling are in the republicans' favor. people say why can't we control what we are spending? now, how serious is that moment, october 17th? >> it depends on how seriously the markets take it. in august, 2011, standard and poor's downgrades the nation's credit. the only loser in that was standard and poor's because no one cared. that's supposed to raise the cost of borrowing after standard and poor's lowered our credit rating. the cost of borrowing by the u.s. government declined by 40%. it depends on what the consequences are. >> this

republicans including tom mcclintock from california don't seem willing to do that. >> i would listeno the millions of americans who are using their affordable health energy as a result of -- insurance as a result of obamacare. >> reporter: the senate is back to work at this hour. we'll keep an eye out on the floor to see if feinstein and boxer have a new reaction to this ongoing shutdown. live in washington, d.c., kyla campbell, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> the federal government shutdown is having a ripple effect here in the bay area. 3,000 people work at the federal building in downtown oakland. now that many of them have been told not to come to work nearby shops and cafes that cater to the workers say they are hurting. >> i hope it doesn't last long, really, for everybody's sake. >> this is the way i feel. we're not -- i can't respect either one them. they are not working as a team and playing fairly with each other. >> the business owners say they can handle having fewer customers for a day or so. if the shutdown drags on, the businesses will really take a hit. >>> today is day two