: fun interview. >> host: who's tom mcmillan? >> guest: he was an all-american basketball player at the university of maryland. i think he's my age, about 55, 56. he went on to become a rhodes scholar, he also played in the nba. >> host: and was a congressman, of course. >> guest: oh, yes. he was a congressman from maryland. >> host: he's back involved in sports, correct? >> guest: i think he is with -- isn't he the ceo of the athletic directors' association? >> host: i think he is. >> guest: i think he might be. very thoughtful guy. >> host: what did he think of your book? >> guest: you'd have to ask him. i mean, i think he liked it, we had a good conversation. there may have been a few things that he may have taken exception to, but during the interview, anyway, he didn't bring them up. [laughter] >> host: wayne's in san diego. hi, wayne. >> caller: yes, hello. with respect to the football injuries, the more irrefutable the consequences of these injuries, depths, suicides -- deaths, suicides, long-term illness, mental deficienc