but the big issue was the source of authority relied upon by tom mueller to impose those rules. and that was classifying broadband under title 2 of the telecommunications act which the industry and i believe almost every serious economist looking at this would uniformally raise your hand and say that classifying broadband as a public utility, classifying isps as a public utility, and using title 2 as your source of authority to impose these rules is disincentive to investment and something hanging over your head because of the hundreds of other things that can be done to isps because they are then classified under title 2. and by the way we are not new to this discussion. i mean, when tom mueller was considering the rules, we were on capitol hill saying let's legislate. after tom wheeler did his rules, we were on capitol hill saying let's legislate. the authority issue that's been exposed in court proceedings, this is not constitutional authority, it's not biblical authority, it's not written in the ten commandments, it's statutory authority. which means congress has the ability

trump did nothing wrong, the one who did something wrong wasn't comey and mueller is not targeting him. >> brian: tomwondering, it wasn't just that the columbia professor got the memos dropped off to him, you are wondering if comey gave them to robert mueller. >> did comey get the blessing to talk about them? we've also sued for the fbi and doj to figure out how it is that comey was allowed to use this material in his book. it was either private or classified or confidential and he shouldn't have been able to use it. and mueller certainly have to have been involved in blessing that operation. you know, donald trump has a lot of enemies, and it's mueller, comey, the deep state, the fbie and doj, and it's andrew mccabe. two of those people are facing jail time. the irony, quickly, brian, comey is in the same legal boat as hillary clinton right now. the mishandling of classified information is a significant legal liability for him and it was for her. you have to wonder whether he exonerated her because he was doing the same thing. >> brian: it was so quick, tom. it was, okay, i'm fired, i wrote memos, p

also the senate, folks in the senate wanting to maybe introduce this bill that would protect mueller. it's tomlindsey graham. that's something of a new thing, as well. before they were like, we don't really know, they don't have a sign that mueller is in any danger. that will go nowhere, but it is a little bit of a difference from what we've heard from him previously. >> something to keep an eye on. >>> up next, paul ryan saying he won't run for re-election. remember john boehner as the speaker? john boehner has a very interesting new job. xible meal plans... ...and 24-hour room service a place where seniors get the care they need in the comfort of home. home instead senior care. a lot of paints say ordinthey can do the job,ver. but just one can "behr" through it all. behr premium plus, a top rated interior paint at a great price. family friendly, disaster proof. find it exclusively at the home depot. >>> topping our political radar today, paul ryan might be leaving. but republicans can find some solace in this new poll. just released survey from quinnipiac finds the democrat's advance on that

first, the legislation that's a bipartisan legislation, tom tillis, lindsay graham and cory booker essentially to protect robert mueller's status as a special counsel, protect him from being fired. and tom tillis making the case this is good for the president to take away this speculation about whether mueller stays or goes. would you support that legislation if it came to the floor? >> well, it is my understanding that my senior senator from iowa, chairman chuck grassley, will bring this up in judiciary for a discussion. i would like to see the final text of that before i state whether i would support it or not. we'll see where this goes. i don't believe that the president will fire mueller, we'll see, but i certainly want to see that text, and i'm glad that they will have the discussion. >> finally, i want to get you to respond to this criticism. james comey laid at all of congress in his book on the attacks of the law enforcement community. he writes this -- i know there are men and women of good conscience on both sides of the aisle who understand this, but not enough of them are speaking out and they must ask themse

can't be doing without the credibility issues of the mueller operation. david: tomnow if you receive anything, we'll put you back on air. tom fitton from judicial watch. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> you are very welcome. melissa: ibm down more than 5% afterours, despite beating first quarter revenue. the issue is growth profit margins. profitin margins hammered ibm shares after the last earnings report in january when the stock tumbled 4%. ibm on track to shave 60 points off the dow when stocks open tomorrow morning. david: a closed-door briefing on capitol hill. defense secretary james mattis and general joseph dunford meeting on syria. what we can expect? coming up. melissa: starbucks closing its doors for a few hours. why and when the coffee chain won't be open for business? because my body can still make its own insulin. and i take trulicity once a week to activate my body to release it, like it's supposed to. trulicity is not insulin. it comes in a once-weekly, truly easy-to-use pen. and it works 24/7. trulicity is an injection to improve blood sugar

as tom was detailing, what happened here is mueller came across this information. almost certainly the bank fraud, wire fraud, it's all about the $130,000 payment. he sat down with rod rosenstein, this is exactly what happened when ken starr sat down with janet reno and said there's new stuff about this monica lewinsky person. reno said you take it, starr, rod rosenstein said don't take it, i have now referred it to the southern district, that's now a separate file there. if trump should ever be fired, the southern district is in for the whole ride. they'll get resources from main justice, but it's not going back to mueller. >> guys thank you very much. >>> and turning now to our other massive story today, in just a few minutes, facebook ceo mark zuckerberg will face lawmakers' questions in a hearing here on capitol hill, he will give a status update on the senate judiciary committee and the commerce committee after it was revealed that 87 million users had their data improperly shared. zuckerberg posted this on face book, in about an hour i'm going to testify abou

tom, if after a year in the mueller probe the president is still not a target, that pretty much givestion there is no there there. >> it is a strong indication that mueller has been at this for some time and hasn't reached a point where he is prepared to say the president is a target it's good news for the president, welcome news for the president. the thing about not going a target is it can change in a latter beat. a prosecutor finds some documents. and you become a target. but your point is well taken. this investigation has been going on for a while. and it doesn't appear mueller has enough at this point to put himself in the controls hairs. >> here we are late april 2018. mueller has been at it for at least a year. would you say, were you representing trump, that mr. mueller, you can't question the president about a non-crime called collusion. more over, i'm not going too allow you -- i'm not going to allow you to question his authority to fire somebody. >> i would say it makes sense to talk to mueller provided you set sharp define limits on what can be discussed. if trump were t

mueller against mitch mcconnell. the editorial board writes both mcconnell and tom tillis agree with the majority of meamerican that trumpw mueller to complete his investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election and whether moscow cocolluded with the trump president campaign tillis simply believes no president should be able to place himself above the law. the reason why i picked this is not because i agree or disagree with the political tenants of it, but aloz of these comme lote drive markets. those things move markets, so when you have these things happening, it's certainly something to pay attention to. >> especially with this story. it's been a long-term overhang on this market my pick is from the "wall street journal. it's called sales tax revenue is not collapsing south dakota claims massive losses from online sales, but he points out the state's own data shows that says and use tack revenue grew faster than the state's economic growth and that the governor's budget for 2018 projects the state's sales and use tax revenue will be more than $1 billion, 4% higher than last year with no change in rate tha

news, ever since that cohen raid, though, the president is less inclined to sit down with mueller. >>> okay, tomlet's talk to chief legal analyst dan abrams about this right now. you know, that statement by rudy giuliani not a stitch of evidence that president trump colluded with the russians could be a critical omission. >> right, because, look, here's what we know. we know that 13 russians have been indicted for trying to influence the election helping donald trump. we know that a number of senior campaign officials have admitted to lying about conversations with the russians during the campaign. so, there's more than a stitch of evidence that something was happening there. doesn't mean it was the trump campaign. doesn't mean it was donald trump but it does mean that it's worth investigating. it is important to listen to him separate donald trump himself from the trump campaign, because robert mueller is investigating connections between the trump campaign and the russians. >> and acknowledging by omission they may have some evidence there. meantime, this idea that now michael cohen is pleadin

. >> look, republican senator tom tillis spearheading legislation to protect mueller and any future special counsels. does that affect how you think the president may act if he ends an investigation in some way with a firing? >> we have relationships on both sides, the house and senate, which are going to be bipartisan. i think the american people are tired of this partisan bickering. we are more divided than we've ever been, but if we were to do something that traumatic that would tear this country apart, we must do it on a bipartisan basis. we cannot be partisan on this. i've talked to many republicans who have been very open and shared their concern about the firing of the special counsel. i do believe in the end that my colleagues care about this country and the importance of us working together to protect this democracy. >> but doesn't it start at the top? you may have heard my colleague jeff been fet reporting from the white house saying the president is holding his first state dinner with french president emanuel macron, and he's only inviting republican congressional leaders. >> it'

we take up what president trump has called mueller witch-hunt with judicial watch president tom. and attorneys. also tonight, an obstruc obstrut and insulting response. doj appointing a federal prosecutor to oversee release of fbi documents about clinton e-mail probe and fisa court abuses, 5 months after house judiciary committee, and house oversight committee demanded access to 1.2 million documents, they have received approximately 7,000 to date. half of which were delivered today. our top story, outraged the word of the day. mounting evidence of a corrupt justice department leadership. an fbi that is been out of control for years. and president trump tonight just voicing his outrage over the latest development in mueller witch-hunt. >> a disgrace. if is say real dis grace, an attack on our country, in a true sense, an attack on when about what we stand for. i saw this i heard it, like you did. i said that is really now in a whole new level of unfairness. >> we're wenting an orchestrated assault on president of united states, a justice department and fbi that are ignoring overs

roadmapt have a clear of where mueller is going with this. tom of it at this moment. from you so much as always our london news bureau. we are talking many things today and one of them has to be investment. the dow 600 points down. i believe it was yesterday. jack will join us from crescent wealth advisors. always with a different perspective. really looking forward to that discussion. alan is in the next hour. -- zurichin new york and new york, this is bloomberg. ♪ tom: "bloomberg surveillance." a beautiful shot out of our new world headquarters in london. cannot say enough about it. just wanted huge trophy for being environmentally way ahead of other office buildings. it is environmentally way ahead of st. paul's cathedral as well. i believe that was 19th century coul. there we are with a beautiful shot of london, which means it's a perfect time to speak to our united kingdom government reporter. jordan rochester with us. are we going to get a baby name today? how does this work? why is there a delay in the baby name? >> you are asking me? you

mueller. joining us now is tom winter, reporter with the nbc news investigations unit who's been following this all day. tom, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> so the first thing that i thought when i heard about this today was what, this is in the building and we didn't see it? the building we are, in rockefeller center, we got no footage of that raid under way. >> no. kudos to the fbi. they did not call up ahead of time and say hey, you guys may want to get a camera over here. so no, we did not know about this when the agents first showed up here at the building today and presumably they were able to enter and leave and conduct their business without us noticing here. and nobody else had a picture of it. so yeah, they were able to do their job. >> and in terms of what -- in terms of the way this was executed, we've been advised today that -- and cohen's lawyer's making the case, you could have just asked. you could have asked for these documents, you could have subpoenaed these documents, we've been cooperating all along. why a search warrant? do we have any indication

i was encouraged to see leaders like tom till list uris to move and protect mueller. that way we don't have to care about what the president says. >> mitch mcconnell says it will never get to the floor. >> i think he's conflicted on this. his wife works for the president. even the most honorable person may have a hard time doing the right thing here. i think, you know, we should just put it up for a vote and maybe take it out of mitch mcconnell's hands. >> what about the whole -- what we hear from the wall street journal story that the president talked to a former lawyer and friend. that michael cohen is going to flip on him. >> i think most people believe that there's something to tell. and so, you see this panic among the trump team that michael cohen may flip from our perspective. we have a lot of questions that may not flip from october 2015. and the russian-american who helped trump with the hotel in new york. and also sunlighted that vladimir putin -- we don't have the records, we asked michael cohen to provide records as to whether he was over in europe at the

mueller. >> in the trump organization, they actually refer to him as tom, the shorthand for tom hagen, the characterthe godfather. he has owned this persona for quite a while. >> chris: having known michael cohen and seen the godfather movies he is no tom hagen. >> i have always been a deep skeptic of the russia collusion narrative. i still want to find out what mueller finds out but i've always thought his biggest objection to the mueller probe he was afraid of what else they might find. if my theory is true this has to be the most terrifying thing that could happen to anyone with something to hide to have your fixer's world seized by the f.b.i. and gone through with a fine tooth comb. i understand why he is life i had about it. i don't think it's a violation of all america stands for. wdy explained you had to get a warrant and go through the hurdles at the f.b.i. and d.o.j. and the test will be what they actually find there. my hunch is that they'll find a lot. we should also one last point. donald trump and michael cohen both say michael cohen was not working for donald trump when he fixed the st

mueller should not be fired. what is critical is the republican senators have been vocal about this. charles grassley from iowa said this would be suicide. tomom north carolina joined a bipartisan bill to protect mueller. you have other republican senators, mitch mcconnell the leader of the republicans in the senate, said mueller should be protected. the democrats have been united in their defensive mueller, and said this is a redline that would end trumps presidency. as to whether he would be impeached or not, that is a difficult question to answer. bear in mind, impeachment does not mean removal from office. we've had two presidents were impeached but stayed in office. impeachment happens in the house /3 majority to 2 remove a president. , milti-assetedha portfolio manager, pinebridge investments is still with us. let's get back to the data. comingot the fed minutes up in a second. in terms of the cpi, what are you expecting? cpi would be nudging higher going forward, and it is part of what we think of a regime shift which takes us away from this unhealthy inflation environment towards what we call reflation. it is not overheating. it is n

it will have to be bob mueller who gets to the got tom of some of the allegations of the report thatmpiled. >> you don't think you'll be able to? >> i don't. i think it will take the special counsel's ability to do so. i would note that it is -- does raise questions about the sources of the information. that mr. steele relied upon. because they were kremlin sources. we know that the russians wanted to sow the seeds of division in our country. >> disinformation at every level. >> exactly. >> and does robert mueller need protection from the senate? >> i think that it would not hurt if we passed legislation to send a message to the white house that we want the investigation to continue. but the fact is that the president is never going to sign that legislation. and there are some legitimate constitutional concerns about it. but, having the discussion in congress helps send a very strong message that we do not want mr. mueller's investigation interfered with in any way. >> i think you're certainly right. the president would not sign that legislation. so are there other steps the senate c

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mueller witch hunt. what do they have to gain? the madness must end. >> lou: joining us judicial watch tom fenton. great to see you. let's start with the moment in the trial, in the courtroom in which the judge ruled there will be a different way of approaching this and not turning it over to a tank team and letting the fbi and justice department decide what is going to happen with the papers that honestly violate attorney/client privilege, at least some of them. >> it is not clear who will lose here. the president and mr. cohen, will have the records reviewed in some fashion by the government. >> lou: wait a minute. i heard special master, i thought it would be apart from the justice department and fbi. >> it hasn't been appointed and the records will be posted on line and presume the worst here. i think -- >> lou: you can't go too far wrong watching our court system and fbi and justice department operate. >> sean hannity was victimized in this process. his name was leaked out and no reason to betray. >> lou: his name was leaked out as a client by the courts? >> and i am just saying. >> lou: i was using your word.

himself has said repeatedly that he is willing, even eager to talk to mueller and would do so under oath. the white house has said nothing, tom, to suggest that that has changed. >> jonathan karl for us tonight. jonathan, thank you. >>> also from the white house tonight, a statement on u.s. policy in syria, after the president said he wanted to pull u.s. troops out, quote, very soon. that statement walking back the president's call, indicating no change in policy and no timeline for withdrawal. tonight, about 2,000 american troops remain in syria to train and advise in the fight against isis. >>> and the trade conflict heating up between the u.s. and china. the trump administration proposing import taxes on chinese electronics and a machinery products. within hours, china striking back against american soybeans, cars and chemicals. the president's new chief economic adviser, larry kudlow, insisting it is not a trade war, but an opportunity to renegotiate. >>> we turn now to the weather. seven confirmed tornados in the past 24 hours. and tonight, wind and cold alerts for 23 states. this dramatic cloud near columbus, ohio. viol

mueller. the plans for thousands to hit the streets.>>> tom brokaw says he was ambushed. he rails against the woman accusing him of sexual harassment.>>> his accuser has recanted her story. we learned that the legal trouble may not be over for linebacker ruben foster. a report on its russia probe >> you are watching kpix5 news. >>> a congressional panel has released a report on the russia probe. the house intelligence committee led by republicans says they found no evidence of the 2016 trump campaign collusion with russia. report says that they demonstrated poor judgment like meeting with a russian lawyer at trump tower. >> still he is highlighting these overall findings. >> we were honored it was a great report. no collusion. there was no collusion that's all it is. she probably can't believe it. who can? but the report was very powerful and very strong. no collusion been -- between the trump campaign and the russian people. >> the committees democrats say that the findings are suspicious. adam schiff says republicans ignored crucial evidence and did not run a serious in

tom? >> woodruff: i hear you, but to the point ofconspiracy, this is something we kno again, special counsel robert muellerlook into it. the pubac doesn't know if tht actually happened. it may appear to some people it did but until the dots ve been connected and there is some legal basis for that, are you at rgek in a lawsuit oftting ahead of what are known facts? >> well, i'm very comfortable o where e now. i feel we have ample evidence to vil't strait in a proceeding what we're doing. and we have a lower burden of proof in a civil case. so i've dealt with this from the criminal side as a d.o.j. prosecutor, and i understand and i have great respect for the work that director mueller is doing, and we have great respect that they will continue to do the independent, thorough job that they need to do. >> woodruff: let. but also -- we were hacked and they tried to cause chaos in the inn c and in the democratic party, and we need to seek ajustice in a civil cas we need to deter. >> woodruff: let me ask, you won't be surprised to know that there has been a full-throated response from the trump campaign. ism jus

mueller. we have seen everyone from senator tom tillis, republican from north carolina saying that congress should to at least some other lawmakers in their statements saying that, well, i don't think that the president will, because that would be a constitutional crisis, trying to telegraph to him, really, don't do this. but there's really nothing standing in the way at this point, there's no election, particularly protecting robert mueller, so there's nothing they can do at this point to stop the president from seeking to fire robert mueller if he wants to. he tried in the past, and he was stopped only because people didn't follow his orders. so if he directs attorney general rod rosenstein to do so, rod rosenstein has a decision to make, either he'll step down or we'll see another saturday night massacre situation, but that's all in the hands of the president to initiate. >> charlie, what do you think the likelihood is that donald trump sits down for a face-to-face with bob mueller? >> dramatically less than it was 24 hours ago. this has become very, very personal. he perceives this as a -- it

mueller's investigation without him not knowing about it or him not authorizing it. it's a safe conclusion to draw based on what we now at this time. >> neil: thanks, tom. word that the fbi raided the personal law offices of the president's personal lawyer. looks like a tip from robert mueller. we can't confirm that. john roberts at the white house with reaction there. john? >> we've been trying to get in touch with michael cohen and he's not picking up his phone or answering texts. his attorney is in a meeting right now and is not available. what we have to go on is the reporting from "the new york times" that seem so suggest that this is not related to the mueller russia investigation but information that was developed in the course of the investigation, which was referred to the prosecutor's office in new york and resulted to the fbi going to michael cohen's office to seize documents and other materials. it's impossible at this point to know what this might be related to. however, according to "the new york times," they did take records that were related to the payment of $130,000 to stephanie clifford, a.k.a. stormy daniels in order to seal her appro

and there is the top security aide here in the white house, tom bossert, which is completely unrelated to what's happening in the muellernvestigation. it just goes to show you, even with this michael cohen raid and the president's furious response to it, there is so much other chaos churning over here at the white house that this is just adding to it, and obviously the president spending a lot of time behind closed doors watching tv coverage of all of this. put all of that together and you have some aides to the president behind the scenes who are sort of unsettled and uncertain about where things are going right now, wolf. >> tom bossert, homeland security office, all of a sudden he's out. others are out. stand by for a moment. i want to bring in senior political analyst "new york times" reporter michael scherer. he's also dealing with his colleagues at the "new york times" some very serious reporting on all of this. walk me through, michael, the investigation warrants, the search warrants, and looking into stormy daniels, the payment of $130,000 to her to keep her quiet before the election. but also karen mcdougal, a

mueller have not found anything at all. host: senator toms of north carolina in today's "washington post," both parties need to protect mueller. he says leading the investigation run the course is the only option to ensure the make and people have trust in the process. guest: it is running its course. he is not been fired yet, and doing a to legislate that to happen, i don't think we do. let's let it finished it i am growing weary of it. i'm waiting for it to be over. host: melanie is waiting period line for democrats. go ahead. cares about isam how you want to get rid of the mueller case -- why do you feel the urgency to get rid of it when they are proving facts that he is involved with this whole thing, and as far as your campaign money, do you care where it is coming from? what shell companies are being used? guest: sure, i do. let's face it. most of my campaign cut visions come from the pharmacy profession and health care. that is where my expertise is. that is what i most involved in. i don't ever take any campaign contribution that i t

mueller witch-hunt, why is that? what do they have to gain in so much, really, tom said that madness must end, he is with us next.acing isn't the only thing on my mind. and with godaddy, i'm making my ideas real. when i created my businesses, i needed a way to showcase it. ♪ with godaddy you can get a website to sell online. and it will look good. i made my own way. now it's time to make yours. get started at godaddy.com ♪ everything is working, working just like it should ♪ lou: all of manhattan holding its breath for a moment as stormy daniels and michael cohen met in a courtroom. the judge ruling that they must allow michael don't review the information seized by federal authorities. it's clear it won't be the fbi and justice department deshiegd will be looking at it. it will be the judge. judicial watch tom fitton, the judge ruled there will be a different way of approaching this, not turning it over to a taint team and letting the fbi and justice department decide what will happen with those papers that violate attorney-client privilege. >> it's not clear who wins and loses here. it looks like the president

tom bevan, mollie hemingway, mike allen. >> my colleague mike allen cheerfully said mueller is unafraid. it is worth remembering he was unafraid when he botched the anthrax investigation by targeting the wrong person. i think there's definitely a burden of proof that the fbi, department of justice, and special counsel have to meet. president trump talked about some of the conflicts of interest. rosenstein has a few of them, not just when he was cited for the letter recommending the fire of comey. he was probably the guy who signed off on andrew mccabe's ridiculous investigation as to whether sessions was a russian spy. he is overseeing this ag investigating fisa abuses of which rosenstein was involved. plenty of conflicts. it would be good for the media to be thinking about them. the special counsel, so many democrats, all the problems we've seen. it's worth remembering congress has been requesting to find out how did the investigation into russia start. the department of justice and fbi are stonewalling and obstructing. >> bret: today 3600 documents going to the house judiciary committe

tom: fall back into a reaction on mr. mueller and the deputy attorney general. against the deputy attorney general, it is a watergate equivalent, isn't it? leslie: he is getting strong advice from even within the republican party not to fire .ueller, but even rosenstein the optics would be terrible. that is what a number of republicans are recognizing. it wouldn't be good for the republican party, the president, or american democracy. public opinion -- there is always going to be a certain percentage of public opinion that stays with this president, that the broader american public response would not be positive if there was the firing of mueller and even rosenstein. the last couple of days have suggested that the president is becoming more unhinged by the fact that his personal attorney's offices have been inspected. this is significant and not playing out well for this president. speakne: later today we to a republic representative and talk syria and dollar. this is bloomberg. ♪ tom: good morning. "bloomberg surveillance." francine lacqua in london. i am tom k

russia, the trump campaign and wikileaks, tom pÉrez denying lawsuit of alleged interference distracts from rebuilding the party. >> i don't know when director mueller'sigation will end and we need to file to protect our rights, we have elections in november and hard to win when you have interference and they have done it with impunity and i'm concerned it will happen again so we did it now. heather: wikileaks says it is constitutionally protected. well, failed presidential candidate hillary clinton adding just one more excuse to growing list of what happens the media. >> the mainstream political coverage was influenced by the right-wing media ecosystem. relentlessly negative news has had a leveling effect that opens the doors to charlatans. heather: the political race since she has lost have been fairly covered, what do you think? belgium court finding the terrorist guilty of attempted murder in a bloody police shootout, the last surviving suspect in the 2015 paris terror attacks that left 130 people dead. do you remember those? he did not appear in court today. he is being tried for the attack in a separate court case. we will continue to follow tha

talking about in terms of the russia collusion or anything in robert mueller's scope, but now dealing with sketches of people who -- of tom brady and william dafoe and it is serious and i don't mean to make light, but we are way beyond where we thought we would be in allegations of the president. >> and he found during his career he worked with people charged with bribes, convicted for fraud and battery and among other crimes and lawyers know people accused of breaking the law. it does work out that way. but some of the people around mr. trump seem to have a proclivity for -- at the very least language that makes the people on the other end feel like they are being threatened. >> a little bit of threatening language. i think michael cohen, the picture that we've seen of him and the frankly the picture of himself is that he is the president's fixer. he will go in and do whatever needs to be done to make it work and protect the president at all costs. so it is not out of the realm of possibility for me to believe and i think the american people that michael cohen engage in some of this behavior, who did car mine roll up on

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tom: the gossip in washington is discussed here, but it is not over. i have not heard the name mueller in these meetings, but what you see with do,debt, is what economists they give the president which marks for the recent good growth that make america great again. the real worried that is published by the imf and road bank, or spoken by the people here, is where are we five years or 10 years from now? they all circle back to the trillion dollar deficit numbers you and i are getting used to. kevin: i want to take it back to wall street and analysts in particular. you get the perception there are some folks at the imf and from the united states that are not thrilled publicly with everything the president is tweeting? you hear that at all? tom: there is a lot of that out there. we spoke with the senator of south dakota -- and there's still a lot of support within washington republicans for what the president is doing. and as interesting -- final thought, is the tension thisen as one person said, mecca of multilateralism, and the president street you brought to my attention a few days ago

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mueller? >> in the trump organization, they actually refer today him as -- referred to tom, he's owned the personahile. chris: having known michael cohen and having seen the godfather movies he's no -- [laughter] >> the idea that trump conspired with vladimir putin to steal the election, i still want to find out what mueller finds out but i've always thought that the biggest objection to the mueller probe is he's afraid of what else they might find. if my theory is true, this has to be the most terrifying thing that could happen to anybody that has something to hide, have the fixers, and i completely understand why he's livid about it, at the same time i do not think it's a violation of all that america stands for. astray gowdy explained you had to get a warrant, the test will be what they actually find there, my hunch is they're going to find a lot. also one last point, donald trump and michael cohen both public i will say that michael cohen was not working for donald trump when he was fixing the stormy daniels information. there's no attorney-client privilege. chris: that's why you shouldn't tal

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. ♪ >> katie: dnc chair tom perez defending a lawsuit against the trump campaign and russia. >> we don't know when director muellerg to act. again, i don't want to ask him when he's going to act. we have to protect. we have done our homework. over the course of the last year, we've seen i think a mountain of evidence of collusion between the campaign and the russians to basically affect our democracy. i am punching back not only for my colleagues. i am punching back for democracy. that's what we believe in us democrats. elections should be fair. i understand people may agree or disagree but we are fighting for them. >> katie: kimberly, mr. perez wants a jury for this. >> kimberly: well, let's posted. zero shot of that. he's quite earnest and sincere in his total disregard for the president and for the president winning the election and being in the oval office. he is playing strong and aggressively to his base. that's what they want to hear on the far left. he's got to go with that mantra, the rhetoric to be able to hold his position, and he is trying to drum up support for midterm elections, that's what this is a

mueller. you probably can't fire robert rosenstein, either. you heard that from lindsey graham and tom >> you think the president gets the message from the senate judiciary committee? >> he should have it candidly, wolf. you have heard everyone. these are not the typical jeff flake says donald trump better watch out. he is a critic of donald trump for some of the -- some i think genuine reasons, some political reasons. these are people sort of down the line. orrin hatch said donald trump could be one of the greatest presidents ever. this is not a huge critic and yet you have him warning about it. so yes. i think it's important to note -- i think it is important that essentially saw four republicans purposely vote for something they know -- knew would bother the president knowing that it's probably not going anywhere. sort of a vote into the ether because it doesn't go. why take the vote? send the message. does donald trump hear it? how much does he hear anything even if he hears it and impact him? i would generally err on the side of it doesn't impact how he makes his mind up. >> we ha